what the hell is he thinking??!!

[Mister_Prophet]

All this is is, "SEE!! SEE!!! WE TOLD YOU BUSH SUXX!! AND THIS IS THE PROFF!!!" but when the FACTS speak instead of the SPIN this whole thing is no big deal. Next Presidential election I'm writing in GWB, even though he can't run, just to PISS YOU ALL OFF!

Well there is hardly a shortage of proof saying Bush is a lousy president. I was sold in 7 minutes of footage taken in a kingergarten classroom.

These are the facts. The Arabs who are now in charge of the organizations doing all this port authority...the same arabs who may have supported or aided terrorism, have a stake in our border security. From where I live and my family lives in proximity, this is not acceptable. I like you Fuzz, but people with your opinions about Bush make it frustrating to be an American. Would you share that opinion if you lived near the New York harbor?

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Would we be required to share our security secrets? I don't see why. If we are, then I'm against the deal. If we aren't but people are just ginning up fear and paranoia, then I am not against the deal.


It's not that I will defend Bush under any and all circumstances, its that I know liberals and the media and I am suspicious of anything they have to say. They have a terrible track record when it comes to reporting about Bush and I am much more likely to trust Bush than I am to trust the Bush haters.

Just an example: I hate the Medicare prescription drug farce. What a bloated piece of asswipe. Bush isn't my ideal conservative, but he's the closest thing we've got right now.

 

[Frisket]

Hush, the moment you said "oil buddies" you lost all credibility.

Who said I had any credibility to begin with? I mean, seriously, we're chatting about politics. When that becomes the issue, all semblences of credibility go right out the window. Everyone becomes a foaming dog over controversial issues like this.

 

[Frisket]

Bush isn't my ideal conservative, but he's the closest thing we've got right now.

That's pretty sad when Bush is considered "conservative" on ANY topic. His ideas are extreme in all respects. Look at our debt. The past 42 presidents combined couldn't get the same debt in 224 years that Bush got IN FOUR YEARS!!! That proves he's NOT a fiscal conservative. His foreign policy isn't especially conservative, either. Massaging the facts to go to war not once, but twice doesn't sound conservative to me. So how exactly IS Bush conservative?

 

[Cat Fuzz]

That's pretty sad when Bush is considered "conservative" on ANY topic. His ideas are extreme in all respects. Look at our debt. The past 42 presidents combined couldn't get the same debt in 224 years that Bush got IN FOUR YEARS!!! That proves he's NOT a fiscal conservative. His foreign policy isn't especially conservative, either. Massaging the facts to go to war not once, but twice doesn't sound conservative to me. So how exactly IS Bush conservative?

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html


Take a gander at the graph labeled "Receipts, Outlays, Suprlus and Deficit as a % of GDP" and you can see that spending has remained pretty flat over the last 50 years or so.

 

[Frisket]

Huh, Well, I personally don't think that our debt should be OVER 60% of our GDP. That sounds like a bad thing, especially considering the interest on that debt will soon outstrip our ability to pay it, judging by the rate at which it's been climbing. And remember, that 120% spike was during WW2. And it's been climbing since Reagen.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Huh, Well, I personally don't think that our debt should be OVER 60% of our GDP.

Well, the way most Americans manage their personal finances would disagree with you.

 

[Mister_Prophet]

It's not that I will defend Bush under any and all circumstances, its that I know liberals and the media and I am suspicious of anything they have to say. They have a terrible track record when it comes to reporting about Bush and I am much more likely to trust Bush than I am to trust the Bush haters.

I'm not a liberal and the people providing the information I read about and watched weren't liberals either. It's not a case of me being a liberal who just wants to take a jab at Bush (I speak for myself). It's a case of me feeling like my family is being risked unecessarily. If these guys really don't pose a threat, why risk it anyway? Why tempt fate? We don't have a good track record of doing that lately.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

Would we be required to share our security secrets? I don't see why.

I honestly don’t know. All I can go on is what I hear. The fellow I heard talking about this on TV said that “Yes” we would have to let them in on our security secrets. In fact, this seemed like the whole point he was trying to make. He said that this information was kept extremely secret.

When you think about it, this would be the major point. There may always (relative term) be people trying to get to us through ports, and all that stops them are the security measures (or the threat of measures). I would think the compromise, or sharing, of those measures would be a sticky subject.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

Timmy!

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

Ok, lemme get this straight. Bush is selling our shipping ports to terrorists? I would be against that.

You say that so nonchalantly... like... ah, it's no big deal he just sold our ports to terrorists... I'm against that, but it's no big deal.

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

Well, the way most Americans manage their personal finances would disagree with you.

So you dont believe the government should set a shining example for it's people?

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/TheNationalDebt.html


Take a gander at the graph labeled "Receipts, Outlays, Suprlus and Deficit as a % of GDP" and you can see that spending has remained pretty flat over the last 50 years or so.

What's the GDP have to do with it? We were talking about the debt. The debt rose faster under Bush than any previous administration, it hardly remained flat, as you say it.

 

[GoAt]

In other news DPW has decided to pull out of the american deal.





and all the democrats let out a simultaneous GOD DAMNIT!

 

[Cat Fuzz]

You say that so nonchalantly... like... ah, it's no big deal he just sold our ports to terrorists... I'm against that, but it's no big deal.

I was being absurd, or sarcastic, or something. It was bait for someone to actually catch a clue and think. Or something.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

So you dont believe the government should set a shining example for it's people?

lol, yeah, right. If you compared the average finances of JQ Public against the finances of the government over the last 40 years, they would probably look alot alike.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

What's the GDP have to do with it? We were talking about the debt. The debt rose faster under Bush than any previous administration, it hardly remained flat, as you say it.

The GDP to debt ratio is a more accurate measurment than just looking at raw numbers. As a percentage of GDP, the debt has remained pretty flat. Or deficit, or something. Cheeseburgers, fries and onion rings for dinner aren't exactly brainfood.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

In other news DPW has decided to pull out of the american deal.





and all the democrats let out a simultaneous GOD DAMNIT!

That is SO true. Bad news for America = good news for Dems and vice versa. It's pathetic.

 

[Frisket]

How the hell is that bad news? And more importantly, that GDP graph has NOT been flat for the past fifty years. We're back to where we were when we halfway through paying off our debts from WW2!!!! That's not considered a flat graph, buddy. It has more of a parabolic appearance than a flat line.

 

[Eyuva 'S' NRG]

The GDP to debt ratio is a more accurate measurment than just looking at raw numbers. As a percentage of GDP, the debt has remained pretty flat. Or deficit, or something. Cheeseburgers, fries and onion rings for dinner aren't exactly brainfood.

Well the debt and the deficit are two different things. Deficits are the cause, debts are the effect.