what the hell is he thinking??!!

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Cat Fuzz

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Jesus, learn to roll with the punches, Red. If you can't take the criticism, just don't bother even trying to argue your point. Calling others "stupid" for their opinions is simply naive of you. Perhaps they know more on the topic and formed their opinions that way. If Clinton didn't get impeached for lying about Monica, then exactly what do you think he got impeached for?


He was impeached for lying, under oath, to a grand jury. A felony.
 

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Think What?!!!

Remember, in today's world, some people forget that indeed we are inteligent beings... thus Bush and Clinton are at the bottom ot the evolutionary chain. OKAY, lets hope the rest of us are higher than that! :lol::morety:
 
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Politicians are inherently savvy PR people (the good ones) when it comes to misleading people, so pointing the finger at 'the left' and 'liberals' achieves what exactly?

Last night on Fox one of thier guest commentators accused the 'other news' as talking with a 'hammer and sickle'

wtf?

Great political arena
 
Cat Fuzz said:
Bush didn't lie about anything.

lolz.

Cat Fuzz said:
If Bush lied, then so did Clinton and his fanbase.

Yeah yeah Clinton is such bastard. We know. He lied about getting a blowjob. It was a felony. He is a criminal. What a deplorable human being he is.

Cat Fuzz said:
My point about bring up Clinton is that the SAME PEOPLE who say one thing today, said the complete OPPOSITE back when Clinton was in power.

FLIPFLOP!!!1
 

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I can blame liberals, but the point is the ones running can't just poke fun of bush and exspect to win and any credability from me,or votes.

It is so foolish,impeech bush for spying,what is the stpidest thing there is, do people in the usa actually think they don't have power to spy on us long before 911.
we were never private,specialy now with trackable cell phone, ssn, list goes on.but judge or no judge it's the same thing.

oh well i dont care what happens, wait for hillary so i can get my me me free stuff.Bill Gates wil have prolly 5 bucks, and bumms will be all set.
 

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Wiretapping isn't the issue. Whether or not it should be subject to judicial review is. It was until Bush did it without even a usually secret authorisation. That's downright, and undeniably, corrupt.
 

Cat Fuzz

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Mister_Prophet said:
Yeah yeah Clinton is such bastard. We know. He lied about getting a blowjob. It was a felony. He is a criminal. What a deplorable human being he is.



That's not what I was refering to. If Bush lied about Iraq being a threat and having WMD then Clinton also lied about it and is more responsible. That is, IF it was a lie, which I don't believe it was. Why would Bush lie just to play with his tanks and guns? Why would he go so far as to LIE knowing that we wouldn't find anything? If he was capable of lying about it and getting everyone to play along why couldn't he have manufactured some evidence? It would have been easy to do. Instead, we delayed, trying to get the UN to grow a backbone and actually have some meaning while Saddam had 14 months to move all his toys out of the country to Syria or who-knows-where.


So, if Bush lied about Iraq, it had to have been Clinton that started it since most of the intel was based on stuff gathered during Clintons terms in office.
 

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Cat Fuzz said:
That's not what I was refering to. If Bush lied about Iraq being a threat and having WMD then Clinton also lied about it and is more responsible. That is, IF it was a lie, which I don't believe it was.

Put down the Dubya pom-poms and step away from the crack pipe.
 
Cat Fuzz said:
That's not what I was refering to. If Bush lied about Iraq being a threat and having WMD then Clinton also lied about it and is more responsible. That is, IF it was a lie, which I don't believe it was. Why would Bush lie just to play with his tanks and guns? Why would he go so far as to LIE knowing that we wouldn't find anything? If he was capable of lying about it and getting everyone to play along why couldn't he have manufactured some evidence? It would have been easy to do. Instead, we delayed, trying to get the UN to grow a backbone and actually have some meaning while Saddam had 14 months to move all his toys out of the country to Syria or who-knows-where.

There's a difference between saying my favorite shoe is in that kid's house and saying my favorite shoe is in that kid's house while I'm breaking down his door with a bulldozer and a swat team covering my rear as we infiltrate his home.

I don't see the point of saying Clinton lied. Yeah he lied, he's a politician. What's you point? WHAT possible relevance does this have to the present actions of this president? Are you saying that since another human being lied, the lies of another are not worth discussing?

A lot of shiit went down on Bush's watch. That's on him. Not Clinton. Stop crying about Clinton as a defense to whenever someone starts saying stuff about Bush. Especially when you're the kinda person who goes off on anyone who suggests that oil (gasp) might have been a factor in Iraq.
 

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Oil? hahaha

ya sure"they have OI. ah hmm WMD, " well he musta lied then, cause I aint seeing this great oil boom.

Actually it was the aintiwar space cadets who made that a hidden bush goal, of wich there propaganda was a lie?
Hell they can't even blame right.

Only 2316 died in 3 years, ya woot,ya a really big "war".
 

Cat Fuzz

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Mister_Prophet said:
There's a difference between saying my favorite shoe is in that kid's house and saying my favorite shoe is in that kid's house while I'm breaking down his door with a bulldozer and a swat team covering my rear as we infiltrate his home.

I don't see the point of saying Clinton lied. Yeah he lied, he's a politician. What's you point? WHAT possible relevance does this have to the present actions of this president? Are you saying that since another human being lied, the lies of another are not worth discussing?

A lot of shiit went down on Bush's watch. That's on him. Not Clinton. Stop crying about Clinton as a defense to whenever someone starts saying stuff about Bush. Especially when you're the kinda person who goes off on anyone who suggests that oil (gasp) might have been a factor in Iraq.



Ok, you obviously don't understand my point. I give up.
 
Cat Fuzz said:
Ok, you obviously don't understand my point. I give up.

I understand that you don't have one. I just find it strange how you tend to always get into a Clinton discussion for some reason whenever one of these "is Bush being stupid?" threads pop up ;)

There haven't been any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And I'm not one of those people who get all my sources from the evil satanic media.

Red said:
Oil? hahaha

ya sure"they have OI. ah hmm WMD, " well he musta lied then, cause I aint seeing this great oil boom.

Seeing as how what you tend to see is selective man, I wouldn't be surprised either way ;) , but when people like me suggest that Oil was a possible factor in why we "really" went over there, we mean that it was a motivation. We've all seen the Michael Moore movie, and whether you like him or not (I preferred him better when he was targetting guns in Bowling for Columbine), video doesn't really lie. We know they were over there with troops guarding oil refineries before, why is it so farfetched to believe that Bush...with his whole cronyism thing going on...wouldn't think of oil as a possible benefit for sending troops into Iraq? These are motivating factors I'm referring to Red Fist, stuff like WMDs is what politicians refer to as "smokescreen".

Red said:
Actually it was the aintiwar space cadets who made that a hidden bush goal, of wich there propaganda was a lie?
Hell they can't even blame right.

Can you elaborate, I didn't catch this. Sorry.

Red said:
Only 2316 died in 3 years, ya woot,ya a really big "war".

I don't care if one soldier died over there. It isn't about the size of this war, it's about the necessity. But I'd rather not hijack this thread into another "Iraq, yes or no" thing because it will just go on with a lot of bitching on both sides and it won't change the fact that we are there now and the whole hippie "let's pull out now" mentality is a waste of time since that's not an option anymore.