what the hell is he thinking??!!

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Evil_Cope said:
i think they are cheating with that. Foreign "State owned" being the operative part?
Actually, the key word I focused on in that quote was “sale.”

ArcadiaVincennes said:
I heard on the news this morning that the company currently managing the ports in question is a british company. Haven't looked for verification yet.

Any of you have any objections to the british running American ports?


Cat Fuzz said:
Don't the Chinese run a large port in Los Angeles? Or, Long Beach or something?
 
ArcadiaVincennes said:
Any of you have any objections to the british running American ports?

Yes. Would anyone from Britain have objections to America running its ports? I'd hope so.

The entire concept just seems dumb to me. I don't care about the economics involved and all that corporate bullshiit. I'd like to think my country maintains my borders at the highest level. Maybe that isn't saying much considering who is in charge, but still...I'd rather we'd be in charge and something gets fu<ked up then someone else being in charge when someone slips a bomb into New York city.
 

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I think it's this guy that we really need to watch out for.

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Cat Fuzz said:
I'm over here getting some punch! /me waves

I havn't been tuned in to politics lately, so I really don't know what all this means. In other words: No comment.

Translation. This set back homeland security by ten years, and it creates serious breach in national security... even Cat Fuzz and Redfist cant defend this action, it's got stupid written all over it; in big capital letters.
 
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Eyuva 'S' NRG said:
Translation. This set back homeland security by ten years, and it creates serious breach in national security... even Cat Fuzz and Redfist cant defend this action, it's got stupid written all over it; in big capital letters.


Eh, no. I really havn't been paying attention. Been busy with my new job. Stop being a doof.
 
Eyuva 'S' NRG said:
Translation. This set back homeland security by ten years, and it creates serious breach in national security... even Cat Fuzz and Redfist cant defend this action, it's got stupid written all over it; in big capital letters.

I don't know where Cat and Red stand on this, but I haven't heard a peep from the Bush crowd. I have seen a lot of politicians (Rep and Dem) rolling their eyes at the insane stupidity of this situation.

I think the disbelief is general. Nobody seems to approve of this, yet it's occured anyway. Funny how that happens...
 

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We have a cowboy in office who doesn’t play by cowboy rules. If this were a Wild West picture and bush was a judge who was doing stupid stuff, the townspeople would get fed up with it and either run him out of town, or lynch him.

But first, they would hang out in the saloon and start griping about how things are going and some cowboy drinking whiskey would interrupt and yell out, “We gotta stop these shenanigans, and stop them now!” Someone would agree and another would say, “Yeah, let’s stop ‘em.” and an angry mob would grow.

Then somebody named Jake or something would say, “Come on! Let’s get ‘em!” and suddenly, somehow, people would have torches in their hands and would be marching down the street making a crapload of noise.

Ahhh, those were the days.
 

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He's trying to sell them to a company based in Britain, which I think has been taken over by a middle-eastern company, which just so happens to be state-operated. (I think it's the UAE that runs Dubai Ports.) It has met with strong bipartisan opposition. His response is a threat to veto any measures Congress takes to oppose the sale. Personally, I think that it'd be a horrible security breach to let any other nation (excepting Canada) control our ports, and this seems completely counter to Bush's plank of "securing America". It makes me wonder if something else is going on here, like a kickback or the like.

Edit: SOMETHING seems fishy, but I just can't place my finger on it.
 
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Now then, I'm not for selling off our land and ports and stuff to foreigners.


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I fail to see how this is a breach of security. The same authorities will be in charge, the same employees will be working the ports. Only the checks will go to a different place. It's not like Al Quada will be marching in and shipping terrorists by the inter-model container load into America.

Another thing that bugs me that if it was some hippie throwback liberal in the Whitehouse we wouldn't be hearing about this and if we were hearing about it it would be because the Republicans are just being xenophobic, stereotyping bigoted bastards for being mean to the peaceful muslims.
 

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BUSH IS NOT DOING THE SELLING *******S.

Dubai ports world is buying a british shipping firm that currently owns the shipping TERMINALS

now, DPW can still go through with their deal wether the US likes it or not, but if the US says GTFO of our ports, they can just basicly say "haha, you lose, now go fuk yourself" and leave these ports with noone to run the terminals.

there is no US company who does the running of the terminals. i get asked this all the time. "why dont we do it? why let another country do it?"
THERE IS NO U.S. COMPANY THAT EXISTS.







somthing funny.

didnt last month or somthing Al Gore went over to the mid east saying how bad the U.S. treats muslims and anyone from the mid east, now he is saying "NO! GET THEM THE FUK OUT OF TEH PORTS!"


hillary clinton is saying the same thing while bill is out there trying to help their (dubai) cause.




regardless of who runs it, how hard is it for a terrorist to make up a manifest, load it with the approprate cargo, stash a nuke on there too, run it up to the docks and as soon as the coast guard starts to harrass them BOOM.
you dont even have to be IN the city. they could detonate 5 miles away and still cause significant damage and irradiate a good chunk of people (depending on winds)
 

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I think I`m more worried about them bring in 10`s or 100`s of terrorists in 23 different ports to reak havoc or launch a terrorist attack in 23 cities all at once then a detonate nuke. Anyone can run a ship withing a few miles of the coast and blow a nuke, but this get`s them into the country with no-one but them to check.
I also think it`s very unusual that GWB`s nick name is the same as this shipping company(spelled slightly diffrent but sounds the same), which makes me wonder.... how long he`s been owned by them. :rolleyes:
 

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All this is is, "SEE!! SEE!!! WE TOLD YOU BUSH SUXX!! AND THIS IS THE PROFF!!!" but when the FACTS speak instead of the SPIN this whole thing is no big deal. Next Presidential election I'm writing in GWB, even though he can't run, just to PISS YOU ALL OFF!
 

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I'm voting for GWB too, despite the fact the doesn't run in my country. Still it's better/funnier than the socialists (aka big spenders), taxcreating treehuggers, rightwing clowns, lazy democrats, pseudo-communists, attention whores (aka christian democrats) and some islamitic party that're supposed to run ****:/
 

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Cat Fuzz said:
All this is is, "SEE!! SEE!!! WE TOLD YOU BUSH SUXX!! AND THIS IS THE PROFF!!!" but when the FACTS speak instead of the SPIN this whole thing is no big deal. Next Presidential election I'm writing in GWB, even though he can't run, just to PISS YOU ALL OFF!

You're a better articulated redfist.
 

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Cat Fuzz said:
Now then, I'm not for selling off our land and ports and stuff to foreigners.


BUT



I fail to see how this is a breach of security. The same authorities will be in charge, the same employees will be working the ports. Only the checks will go to a different place. It's not like Al Quada will be marching in and shipping terrorists by the inter-model container load into America.

Another thing that bugs me that if it was some hippie throwback liberal in the Whitehouse we wouldn't be hearing about this and if we were hearing about it it would be because the Republicans are just being xenophobic, stereotyping bigoted bastards for being mean to the peaceful muslims.
I heard a fellow explaining some of this on TV and he said that we have a very secret method of security at our ports. It’s secret because if someone knows about how it works, they could maybe devise a strategy to get around the security. It’s kept extremely secret because of the implications.

He said if this deal goes through, the bottom line is another country, namely Arab states, would have to be let in on these secrets and this is a very bad idea.
 

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GoAt said:
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BUSH IS NOT DOING THE SELLING *******S. ...etc....etc...
The title of that posted article says that the deal went through without bush’s knowledge. Why would someone think bush is doing the selling if he didn’t even know about it?

The issue is he’s going to veto any attempt to stop the deal. The sale would go to a country that supposedly harbored and aided terrorist. Bush made this “huge stink” over countries harboring and aiding terrorists and saying they were a threat as well.

It’s not like he’s just saying I'll now forgive and forget that you harbored and aided terrorists and that I made this huge stink about it, but he’s going one step further and allowing a deal to happen that would require us to tell these same people our port security secrets.