The ut2004 tips and tricks thread.

[Sir_Brizz]

They were talking about being in a Manta fight. I guarantee you if it were me you would be dead and not bouncing over them.

Obviously the percentage goes up over distance, but if it's Manta vs Manta, then you aren't going to be far enough away for it to make a diffrence. Plus, you are probably trying to turn back towards me, which makes it easier for the Avril to adjust, which means you are dead.

 

[TWD]

Plus there is always shock. It's no contest. you are more likely to kill someone in a manta on foot than you are in a manta in most circumstances.

 

[Taleweaver]

Manta drivers have quite some tricks to avoid AVRiL's, certainly if they know where it's coming from. The 'jump, then crouch' manoeuver is the most common one, but there are more.
-If you can jump over it and then quickly pancake (or roadrage) the shooter, the missile will lose its lock.
-Over longer distances it is better to keep running until the lock is gone (if you know where the AVRiL comes from, you should know where to flee) and then re-approach the spot from a different angle.
-Raistlyn's approach to shoot infantry can shoot down their AVRiL's too.
-Finally, you can exit the vehicle when you're driving straight at them. I've even made double kills by 'throwing' an almost destroyed manta at groups of enemies.
...And about that 'trying to turn back towards me': yes, if a manta does this, they are easy preys for AVRiL's. BUT...they don't necessary have to turn. If they put their manta in reverse, they can get much more speed than turning, thus making it easier to avoid the missile.

 

[Raistlyn]

Yeah I dont have to see you to kill you. Ill go backwards and still get you. The Avril will almost always hit the ground if you just jump then crouch. If its from far away, all you have to do is pass the Avril and since the Manta is faster, they can keep the lock all they want until they die. The Manta just moves too fast for the lock to stay most of the time. The only guaranteed way to Avril them is to fire when they are right in your face. U usually suicide, but you take them with you. Thats what I have been doing recently. I make sure that if they kill me, they hurt or suicide themselves. Im not even on the Manta vs Manta topic anymore. That is much more luck that skill, especially since half the time a teammate is there to take out the other Manta for you. Where do you play Brizz? I want to show you how easy it is to dodge an Avril.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

I'm not saying that it's not possible to dodge an Avril...especially from a new kid on some out of the way server. But if you are playing against someone relatively good or that knows any tricks with the avril, you probably won't know they are out of their manta and shooting the Avril until it's right in your face.

 

[Raistlyn]

I know tricks with the Avril, I have used them/seen them used. I know how to dodge them a good 90% of the time. Thats why I only have 549 deaths in the Manta in 106 hours of play. What server do you typically play on? I play on DI, T5K, KONA right now. Add me to ur buddy list Raistlyn, and we can play sometime.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

k I will add you.

 

[Raistlyn]

I should be on tonight starting about 8 CST unless I got something else going on.

[EDIT]
Actually Im going to a friends house for awhile so if I get on at all tonight itll be around midnight.

 

[rhirud]

Raistlyn, I'd really apprecaite if you could spend a short while giving some manta tips. How do you go past an incoming Avril? How do you best use the terrain?

The jump and crouch strategy sounds good.

All i've got to add is the obvious - if you fire at the manta from the driver's blind spot, he'll have far less time to react.

p.s. about that guide. Any manta pilot worth his salt will not be lead by the tank's gun. If he has any sense, he'll look at the gun position, and head for the oposite side of the tank. He should also stay very close.

I'm also not sure about the "circle straffing" being the only technique when attacking a goliath. Jumping on top of it, and sitting in it's blind spot for a second; watching the gun, and going back down to the side where the gun isn't pointing really disorientates the tank driver.

 

[Taleweaver]

p.s. about that guide. Any manta pilot worth his salt will not be lead by the tank's gun. If he has any sense, he'll look at the gun position, and head for the oposite side of the tank. He should also stay very close.

I'm also not sure about the "circle straffing" being the only technique when attacking a goliath. Jumping on top of it, and sitting in it's blind spot for a second; watching the gun, and going back down to the side where the gun isn't pointing really disorientates the tank driver.

I've written my guide completely on my own experience, so it would amaze me if it didn't include errors and inaccurarys.
I'm not really sure what you mean by your post. If I'm correct, you're suggesting that coming close to the tank is a good way to avoid the turret too . I haven't tried this much, but wouldn't this make it easy for the side turret to actually hit you? I also think it would take a lot longer, because you can't shoot the tank at point blank (splash damage from your own plasma gun)
About that first part: yes, that's what I'm talking about in the guide ("avoid that turret at all cost"..."Circle strafe around it"). I'll check if close range is better than medium or long range.

Thanks for the feedback

 

[rhirud]

You are right - if the tank also has a side gunner, keeping some distance is preferable. Circle straffing will also take the tank out quicker, because it allows you to fire at the tank the whole time. But when up against a lone tank driver, and you feel that the tank is close to shooting you, jumping on top of the tank is my preferred option because it's the safest place to be.

There are also situations e.g. when a tank is on a ridge, where you can't circle straffe, and can only attack form 2 or 3 directions. This is where this strategy comes into it's own.


It also has a psychological edge against novices. They can't see you for most of the time, and therefore don't feel they have a hope of killing you. They often bail out too soon, allowing you to hijack the tank - which is especially easy because you are close to the tank at all times.

 

[Raistlyn]

Raistlyn, I'd really apprecaite if you could spend a short while giving some manta tips. How do you go past an incoming Avril? How do you best use the terrain?

Actually Im not too good at describing to people what I do... I could record a few demos if someone told me how to do it tho .

I'm also not sure about the "circle straffing" being the only technique when attacking a goliath. Jumping on top of it, and sitting in it's blind spot for a second; watching the gun, and going back down to the side where the gun isn't pointing really disorientates the tank driver.

I play often with {T5K}Solarance, he is probably in the top 5 goliath pilot on ut2k4. Circle strafing does not work at all. Even in the Manta he always finds a shot to take that the splash hits me. The only way to kill a tank or Levi w/o them hitting you, is exiting on top of it with a Flak/Link/Mini or anything else that wont hurt you. Just watch out for the turret with the tank cause it can crush you as its moving. Other than that the Levi or tank cant hit you at all.

 

[Drummerman]

I'm sorry for my rude post. I know I can get banned if I do this again.

 

[hyrulian]

Hey u guys suck cock sandwiches. and i mean ALL OF YOU , especially fragger. hes a fag

I find your post to be offensive.
Don't call anyone a fag. It's not nice.
You're not really in any position to say any of that anyway; you've only been here for 3 days. What makes you so goddamn good?

 

[Kaithofis]

Yeah, Har ****ing Har.
Subscribing yourself and call everyone idiots. Wow, don't we have a feeling we truly accomplished something?
BTW, there's nothing wrong with being a fag, nor being called a fag, check this out; http://members.home.nl/d.vd.meer/fag.html

And I suggest leaving the immature, offensive attitude, or you'll end up like Pat. And thrust me, you wouldn't want to end up like him. Not within your first week here in particular.

 

[HuggyBear]

My best luck with dodging avrils in a manta has been to maintain full speed away from the incoming missle, then jump and crouch when I -feel- like it's going to hit. I know such "use the force" tactics don't work for everyone, but I rarely get hit by raptor missles anymore, and I seem to dodge 75% of incoming avrils.

Say, what do you call a drummer that breaks up with his girlfriend? Homeless!

I know a lot of drummers, gang, and I'm amazed there's one that knows the alphabet. Don't take Mr. Drummerman seriously.

 

[Sharon White]

My best luck with dodging avrils in a manta has been to maintain full speed away from the incoming missle, then jump and crouch when I -feel- like it's going to hit. I know such "use the force" tactics don't work for everyone, but I rarely get hit by raptor missles anymore, and I seem to dodge 75% of incoming avrils.

Say, what do you call a drummer that breaks up with his girlfriend? Homeless!

I know a lot of drummers, gang, and I'm amazed there's one that knows the alphabet. Don't take Mr. Drummerman seriously.

I like the "use the force" tactic but I can't figure out the drummer joke.

Sharone White

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[Raistlyn]

Anyone want to tell me how to record a demo tho? I played a game recently that wouldve been perfect for this. It was on Brassed near the wide open middle node. 3 Avrils coming for me. Dodge them all, shot one of the people with the Manta, crushed another, and then got out and flaked the last. Avrils 90% of the time move the same way, but sometimes they like to break their coding and do something else. 50% of the time its luck, but u can vastly improve your dodge/hit ratio with practice.

 

[Sir_Brizz]

They do exactly what they say they can do. They can turn 90degrees twice in 10 feet or something like that. The way to dodge them is to force it to try to move 180 degree in that much space, because it will veer right over you.

My only point was that a p[layer worth their mettle will probably kill you with it because by the time you know it's there you will be dead.

 

[hyrulian]

Anyone want to tell me how to record a demo tho?

To record a demo:
demorec [filename] (filename is optional; if none given, date/time will be used)

To stop recording:
stopdemo

To playback demo:
Go to Community --> Demos menu.