Religious/Evolutionary Debate Thread

[Mister_Prophet]

Christian morality has been around for hundreds of years.

Yeah? So has Buddhism. What does that supposed to mean? Religions splinter and change all the time. Christianity itself comes in several varieties and flavors.

Its the leftys that want to change things, not us.

The reason we are all trapped in this rerun of Queer Education for the Straight Civilization is because this "morality" you speak of excludes people it shouldn't...based on logic from Self-Righteousness well past its date of expiration. The morals you say the "lefties" (who apparently is everyone who isn't Christian ) attack happen to only apply to certain people it seems. The people who founded the USA were Deists, lets try to remember that.

I barely watch any TV at all with all the bilge they are pushing these days. I feel like I have to get rid of the TV all together, but then my son would have to be that slightly weird kid at school who's parents won't let him watch TV.

Let him watch the Simpsons, he'll be alright.

 

[bobtheking]

What makes you think its ok for the leftys to push their view of immorality on everyone else? Christian morality has been around for hundreds of years. Its the leftys that want to change things, not us.

'immoral' standards are less restrictive than supposedly moral ones. if you don't want yourself or your kids exposed to such things change the channel and don't let them watch it. it doesn't work the other way around, and the problem is that most of it is subjective. you probably think that some islam morality is stupid, for example the pig meat issue for them, and you would rightly think it was dumb to censor based on something like that (i'm sure they cook pig meat meals on cooking shows all the time). obviously what we are talking about isn't quite as retarded, but it is the same idea.

all i'm saying is it is a bad idea to censor almost everything, just because you don't like what is being censored doesn't mean it should be done. i'd like to see plenty of bull**** gone from TV and radio, but i don't want anyone censored to accomplish that, and neither should you.

and i'm not saying anyone is being censored right now either, this entire argument was a result of one of red fist's bull**** strawmen arguments.

red fist:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

does that remind you of anything? it should, it describes just about everything you post.

 

[ReD_Fist]

How about this false thingy sticko man,,,
A guy was arrested today for doing somthing,but,the school had his 6 year old kid read somthing about an alternative lifestyle.
Hell if you had it the way they are pumping crap in kids heads of whom shouldnt even be exsposed to that sort of stuff yet is not sticko.

Why don't they make gay baby stuff,hell put hormones in the formula,no wait,convert ultra sound to a pro gay speech for the signal LoL...............

So now these rights has made this mans life miserable and feel powerless to keep his kid away from which he chooses.

Thats the gay agenda,to make the majority (force) to do it there way,but oh NO !!! I saw a picture of jesus aghghgh.

Let the people vote,when there ready from all the subtle brainwashing and years go by,let them vote,youl all loose loose loose.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

As incoherent as he is, I think I agree with Red Fist most of the time. I think.

 

[Evil_Cope]

Where is my lens of unsanity? I need my lens of unsanity.

I swear, he makes less sense every time. I could just about follow a fortnight ago. I have no idea what he said in that last post, let alone how it relates to any arguement or person here.

 

[bobtheking]

Where is my lens of unsanity? I need my lens of unsanity.

I swear, he makes less sense every time. I could just about follow a fortnight ago. I have no idea what he said in that last post, let alone how it relates to any arguement or person here.

the reason this thread is so long is mostly due to strawmen. i'm not responding to his post because i can't figure out what it says this time.

 

[Evil_Cope]

Seriously, Red.

Please, take a little more care with your posts, they are without joking getting really difficult to understand and that can hardly help your arguments.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

Humanzee: part man part ape? discovery channel is showing this at the moment.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Humanzee: part man part ape? discovery channel is showing this at the moment.

daddy?

 

[QUALTHWAR]

lol

 

[Stilgar]

http://acurrentaffair.com/funny/index.html

 

[militaryspetproject]

How about this false thingy sticko man,,,
A guy was arrested today for doing somthing,but,the school had his 6 year old kid read somthing about an alternative lifestyle.
Hell if you had it the way they are pumping crap in kids heads of whom shouldnt even be exsposed to that sort of stuff yet is not sticko.

Why don't they make gay baby stuff,hell put hormones in the formula,no wait,convert ultra sound to a pro gay speech for the signal LoL...............

So now these rights has made this mans life miserable and feel powerless to keep his kid away from which he chooses.

Thats the gay agenda,to make the majority (force) to do it there way,but oh NO !!! I saw a picture of jesus aghghgh.

Let the people vote,when there ready from all the subtle brainwashing and years go by,let them vote,youl all loose loose loose.

I really want to reply to your anti gay sentiment but I cant understand your arguement in this post... or what you wrote in general.
"A guy was arrested today for doing somthing,but,the school had his 6 year old kid read somthing about an alternative lifestyle." IS this a story in the news paper or on the net? Could you link to it please? The story isnt complete at all... what was the guy arrested for? Beating the **** out of a gay guy or what? There has to be some sort of connection because schools dont usually hand out pro gay paraphernalia. You are missing the basis behind hate or dislike here... People are not born with hate it is a learned behavior. So from what I understand of your post the man is teaching his son to hate gay people not just keeping him away from a alternative lifestyle.

"Why don't they make gay baby stuff,hell put hormones in the formula,no wait,convert ultra sound to a pro gay speech for the signal Lol.

While this statement is ****ing retarded, perhaps the world would be a nicer place to live in if we did... there would certainly be much less hate. Instead of promoting anti gay sentiment why dont you God loving fu<ks promote love like you are suppose to? But no... you have to go around and protest about a lifestyle you know nothing about. God loving cultist are always sticking their noses in things they know nothing about, perhaps they would learn more if they wouldnt have disowned their 3rd cousin "Dan" for living his alternative lifestyle.

BTW what the hell does putting hormones in forumula have to do with being gay? This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever heard in my life... but I guess thats why I usually dont surround myself with narrowminded people like you redfist.

Becareful RF cause someday you might come across some mutant hormones that will make you gay.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa022800a.htm

This humanzee walks with its knees locked (not bent) and shoulders back like a person does. It does have hardly any hair on its face. Its ears are pointed and set higher up on the head than a chip’s does. Its head is about 2/3 the size of a chip head (smaller). Its nose is flatter and it makes facial expressions much like a person does. It smokes cigars. It started walking upright when it was 4 months old and almost never goes down on his front knuckles. Other chips avoid him, but they said it was okay with him because he prefers the company of people anyway.

They tested this creature (Oliver) and determined that he has 48 chromosomes like an ape does, so he’s probably not a cross between a person and an ape. But the chromosomes were slightly different from a normal ape. He’s considered a mutation.

 

[ReD_Fist]

Ya I kinda fouled up that last post,heh sorry,

I had to read it several times heh.
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heres the story on the boycotting scientists i was talking about a few posts ago ,last week.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156401,00.html
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,154455,00.html


During the morning pledge at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge, eighth-grade counselor Margo Lucero, who was filling in for an absent principal, changed a portion of the pledge from "one nation under God" to "one nation under your belief system," while on the school public-address system.

Lucero says she meant well.

"I said that because I believe that there should be separation between church and school," she said. "I believe that everybody should have their own beliefs and that we shouldn't have to say, 'under God.'"

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145844,00.html

classes in Staunton, which are held at a church near the elementary school there in the middle of the school day, are attended by 80 to 85 percent of the first-, second- and third-graders in the district.

But a small minority of parents doesn't like the classes, calling them an inappropriate Christian outreach program, so they want the school board to put an end to the program for everyone.
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And i cant find the story i was talking about up there.

but it appears the ANTI religion poeple are the ones dong all the stepping on our rights,not the churches.

 

[ReD_Fist]

and heres a good example of how stupid athiests are.

The G-Word

The city council of a community in California overrode the objections of some citizens and opted to put a plaque on the wall of the council chambers with the words "In God We Trust" on them, reports the San Diego Union-Tribune.

To allay concerns in some corners that the plaque was divisive and an inappropriate endorsement of religion by a public body, the plaque in Oceanside, Calif., will not be paid for with public money.

Still, some in town were not happy.

Resident Janet Bledsoe Lacy told the council that the plaque "would transform these public buildings into an altar for God despite the fact that it is divisive." Another, Nadine Scott, griped about the plaque and the Christian tone of the invocation at the start of the council meeting, saying, "I do not want you cramming your personal belief down my throat."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125315,00.html
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Man I would believe in God over any of this menial human B_llsh_t
"""would transform these public buildings into an altar for God """ LoL !!!

does that mean we could hang a poster of the devil up and it turns into a porno dance bar.
Man you guys should believe in somthing,gee

 

[Stilgar]

Take your big red_fist and stick it in your mouth. : )

 

[Balton]

Redfist:"My way or the highway"

You're one of the first people to go when euthanasia strikes four.

 

[Nachimir]

Man you guys should believe in somthing,gee

I believe in lots of stuff. Right now, those bits of it that are at the tip of my brain are all logical, reasonable, and uncomplimentary.

Well done for proving that you aren't even capable of paying attention or understanding what anyone says.

 

[ReD_Fist]

well theres 3 of ya,,,next.................

 

[militaryspetproject]

you never answered my question redfist about putting hormones in formula. And you never explained wtf your post was about. Any of the stories you linked to dont seem to be what you were talking about in post #1563.