Religious/Evolutionary Debate Thread

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ReD_Fist said:
Oh now.......................
You guys just HAVE to admit we are more than just biological creatures
no we aren't. why do we have to admit that? that is exactly what we are. this is a problem with the bible is it portrays humans as not being animals. in the bible, animals do not have a soul correct? maybe that is why you cannot accept evolution, because it means we are animals, which by extension don't have souls.
running around on a planet,wich suites life perfectly.
it suits life perfectly because that life has evolved to fit the environment. life that is not perfectly suited to the environment we have would be forced out by competing organisms that are a better fit.
maaan that post is the most ultra mode of thinking wich is wrong.
what is wrong about it?
go pray boy .........hehe.
i prefer not to waste my time.
 
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After all is said and done this thread has gotten back to where it started, insulting and antagonising the religous types on this forum.

Qualthwar: This page makes you sound like a complete tosser.
 

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Stilgar said:
After all is said and done this thread has gotten back to where it started, insulting and antagonising the religous types on this forum.

Qualthwar: This page makes you sound like a complete tosser.

For what it's worth, i agree. Though i will say that the religious types in question are no more innocent than those antagonising in most cases. ;)
 

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yes, I am forced to agree o_O

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Sometimes I think Cat is taken too serioulsy when he is just being facetious. We all know what he believes in. Dragging his beliefs over the coals AGAIN AND AGAIN is not smart or funny, and I for one am sick of the **** flinging.

Red: You annoy people. A lot.


Wow, I feel better after saying all that.
 
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Stilgar said:
After all is said and done this thread has gotten back to where it started, insulting and antagonising the religous types on this forum.

Qualthwar: This page makes you sound like a complete tosser.
:stupid:

:lock: pls
 

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GMotha said:
If the evolutionary theory is the truth, then our whole human race is based upon incest. So, in other words: God would approve incest.

do you mean creationist theory? well, i'm sure there is incest involved in evolution too, but not quite as...importantly?
 

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Stilgar said:
yes, I am forced to agree o_O

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Sometimes I think Cat is taken too serioulsy when he is just being facetious. We all know what he believes in. Dragging his beliefs over the coals AGAIN AND AGAIN is not smart or funny, and I for one am sick of the **** flinging.

Red: You annoy people. A lot.


Wow, I feel better after saying all that.

Catfuzz officially stopped properly debating this stuff several years ago. i for one enjoy the debating not because it changes anything but because i find the arguments and so on that come up are often quite interesting.


On a more on topic note, the thing about evolution vs creationism is that whilst creationism is largely incompatible with science, Evolution is NOT incompatible with Christianity or religion. Hell, Darwin himself was, if i recall, quite the christian.

*shrugs*
 

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Stilgar said:
After all is said and done this thread has gotten back to where it started, insulting and antagonising the religous types on this forum.

Qualthwar: This page makes you sound like a complete tosser.
I think I bring up a good point. Now let’s assume that I’m correct for a minute; that there is no god as the bible presents. Every point I made makes sense. People waste the little time they have here on earth. If you argue that it’s not a waste even if god doesn’t exist because the belief sooths people, you’ve just proven my self-serving point. Since I don’t believe god exists as the bible presents, what I said makes perfect sense to me.

If you want to talk about reoccurring themes, we should mention this one: “We should believe in god because if he doesn’t exist, no harm done. If he does exist, we are in good shape because we believed in him.”

What is that? That isn’t much of a belief. “Let’s be on the safe side” isn’t a belief. It’s a product of preaching and upbringing that tells us we’re supposed to “just believe” or we’re going to burn in hell for eternity.

If the concept of hell was changed so that it was a place with only 500 TV channels and heaven had 650 channels, people wouldn’t care all that much about a heaven or a hell. Fear mongering is blinding.
 
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QUALTHWAR said:
I think I bring up a good point. Now let’s assume that I’m correct for a minute; that there is no god as the bible presents. Every point I made makes sense. People waste the little time they have here on earth. If you argue that it’s not a waste even if god doesn’t exist because the belief sooths people, you’ve just proven my self-serving point. Since I don’t believe god exists as the bible presents, what I said makes perfect sense to me.

If you want to talk about reoccurring themes, we should mention this one: “We should believe in god because if he doesn’t exist, no harm done. If he does exist, we are in good shape because we believed in him.”

What is that? That isn’t much of a belief. “Let’s be on the safe side” isn’t a belief. It’s a product of preaching and upbringing that tells us we’re supposed to “just believe” or we’re going to burn in hell for eternity.

If the concept of hell was changed so that it was a place with only 500 TV channels and heaven had 650 channels, people wouldn’t care all that much about a heaven or a hell. Fear mongering is blinding.

You are correct,in a lot of things there,but should defaulting on the safe side be a bad thing (life is hard)?
It comes down to "faith" basicaly,now you may call that ignorant or faulty thinking,but I still yet to see your evidence.There should be a CONSTANT stream of (an irreputable timeline of proof ) why don't you have that ?,considering how LONG we so called have evolved in time to surely we would all know better by now.

And yes I mean the mid term evolutants !!!
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Evolution = no (no logic,case solved)............no such thing ever happened,allthough we have evolved as well as plants ,animals,atmosphere,but we didn't "just happen" .so the burden of proof is on the non believers,no faith,YOU MUST prooooov it to disprove the most common of (majority)thinking on the subject.

And just for kicks,what if evolution and such was proven? what would happen (kinda makes you wonder why it is still not proved.). I will leave this question open ended.

And just to rub it in,the Bible is the only thing you have after all these years.Wich is humans wrighting,geez got to at leaste give it that,oh wait,,,,adam and eve were reading about apes,ooops, heh.
(and yes I know the bible wasn't there yet)

And for those of you who may think I am a "following" church person is wrong,(I should goto church,but I havn't since I was 16) for defending the relgious side of things.
 
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ReD_Fist said:
You are correct,in a lot of things there,but should defaulting on the safe side be a bad thing (life is hard)?
absolutely. this line of thinking is exactly why religion is so dangerous. who can argue with this? its totally insane and illogical. if religion was not so old, we would be institutionalizing people that thought this kind of bull****.

it is a hilarius (by that i mean sad) racket fundamentalist religion has going these days.
It comes down to "faith" basicaly,now you may call that ignorant or faulty thinking,but I still yet to see your evidence.There should be a CONSTANT stream of (an irreputable timeline of proof ) why don't you have that ?,considering how LONG we so called have evolved in time to surely we would all know better by now.
because there is a tiny subset of conditions in which things like fossils will form. its easily possible that huge areas (entire species habitats) would not facilitate fossils for long periods of time, so we would not have record of them.

regardless, there is plenty of evidence, you just refuse to see it. as has been stated countless times, and you just keep repeating the same retarded **** without debunking the evidence.
And yes I mean the mid term evolutants !!!
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Evolution(no logic,case solved)............no such thing ever happened,allthough we have evolved as well as plants ,animals,atmosphere,but we didn't "just happen" .so the burden of proof is on the non believers,no faith,YOU MUST prooooov it to disprove the most common of (majority)thinking on the subject.
yes, the majority is always right. i don't know how many mother****ing times we have to say this, but just because you think we don't have an absolutely definitive answer (which there most likely never will be), does not mean you are right. i cannot fathom the sheer amount of stupidity it requires for so many people to swallow such a massive logical fallacy. it boggles the mind to think of it.

you keep ignoring the fact that evolution is by far more proven than creationism (which has literally zero evidence which i'm sure i need to remind you of again). evolution is to biologists as gravity and relativity is to physicists. the only reason irrelivant and nonsensical ideas like creationism can't be ignored is the sheer number of ignorant uneducated retards like yourself repeatedly demanding (and being shown) proof you can't understand or refuse to comprehend. it makes me sick to think of the whole situation. the intellectual dishonesty on the creationism side is stunning.
And just to rub it in,the Bible is the only thing we have after all these years.Wich is humans wrighting,geez got to at leaste give it that,oh wait,,,,adam and eve were reading about apes,ooops, heh.
(and yes I know the bible wasn't there yet)
yeah because we have established that old = correct many times now. go look up some other old ideas, nice to see how those panned out...oh wait. now people that hold those same ideas are either 2 years old or never passed second grade.

yes this post is a giant flame. its accurate.

and with that i'm done with the thread. unlike the last time i said that, because i'm sure no more valid debate will crop up again like last time. it has degenerated into red fist saying the same thing every 2 posts he makes and refusing to respond to the arguments against them. actually you could take this post, throw in a ****headed remark about how we are arrogant because we think we are the top dogs of the universe, and you have the content of every red fist post in this thread.

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Well first off,I allways try to be truthfull,but I have no tact,never did,never will,but nothing but nothing will lead me to thinking evolution (from an ape (wich they still are)) ever happened.
You may call that a flaming post up there but I say your doing fine,but it's just as frustating for me.
I mean think about it scientificaly
1 we didnt change
2 apes dint change

If they did we probably have apes who could talk etc etc,so it is rather far fetched.Plus like I said before,seems rather illogical throughout time we just don't know,being it took so long to evolve,supposedly.

Got to admit its fairly easy to have faith than trust another human to "think" they know the answer to a creation.
 

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absolutely. this line of thinking is exactly why religion is so dangerous. who can argue with this? its totally insane and illogical. if religion was not so old, we would be institutionalizing people that thought this kind of bull****.

it is a hilarius (by that i mean sad) racket fundamentalist religion has going these days.
because there is a tiny subset of conditions in which things like fossils will form. its easily possible that huge areas (entire species habitats) would not facilitate fossils for long periods of time, so we would not have record of them.

regardless, there is plenty of evidence, you just refuse to see it. as has been stated countless times, and you just keep repeating the same retarded **** without debunking the evidence.
yes, the majority is always right. i don't know how many mother****ing times we have to say this, but just because you think we don't have an absolutely definitive answer (which there most likely never will be), does not mean you are right. i cannot fathom the sheer amount of stupidity it requires for so many people to swallow such a massive logical fallacy. it boggles the mind to think of it.

you keep ignoring the fact that evolution is by far more proven than creationism (which has literally zero evidence which i'm sure i need to remind you of again). evolution is to biologists as gravity and relativity is to physicists. the only reason irrelivant and nonsensical ideas like creationism can't be ignored is the sheer number of ignorant uneducated retards like yourself repeatedly demanding (and being shown) proof you can't understand or refuse to comprehend. it makes me sick to think of the whole situation. the intellectual dishonesty on the creationism side is stunning.
yeah because we have established that old = correct many times now. go look up some other old ideas, nice to see how those panned out...oh wait. now people that hold those same ideas are either 2 years old or never passed second grade.

yes this post is a giant flame. its accurate.

and with that i'm done with the thread. unlike the last time i said that, because i'm sure no more valid debate will crop up again like last time. it has degenerated into red fist saying the same thing every 2 posts he makes and refusing to respond to the arguments against them. actually you could take this post, throw in a ****headed remark about how we are arrogant because we think we are the top dogs of the universe, and you have the content of every red fist post in this thread.

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Baaaghghg,have another beer,,,,,
 

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"absolutely. this line of thinking is exactly why religion is so dangerous. who can argue with this? its totally insane and illogical. if religion was not so old, we would be institutionalizing people that thought this kind of bull****"

Speaking of being insane. This is one of the bat **** craziest things you have ever said.
 

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What would happen if evolution was proved irrefutably true? Interesting question Red. I wonder if you've given it much thought yourself. :D

Evolution has nothing to do with proving or disproving God or the bible. Christianity, judaism, islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, Taoism, Jadism (sp?) etc, all would continue on entirely unaffected.

As would life, as it tends to.

Creationism is another matter entirely, and frankly is seperate from religion. Whilst religion and science can co-exist, Creationism is inherantly hostile to other faiths, let alone science.

If creationism was proved so thoroughly that no-one could deny it, then it would mean the end of dozens of religions as well as entire branches of science.
Infact, for Creationism and it's theories and evidence to be remotely true would require large portions of the scientific community to be one of two things.
A. Completely and utterly wrong. Not just a little off, but completely barking up the wrong trea.

B. Involved in a massive conspiracy to mislead the public.

(or C. Both.)


I have a question for you myself, Red Fist, and would be interested in your responce.
Do you believe Evolution exists at all? The apparent evolution of quite a few creatures is well documented, (for example the Horse, pointed out earlier in this monstrous thread). Also, Farmers and Gardeners regularly breed animals for traits that they find admirable, resulting in scientificially distinct breeds. For example the domestic pig descended from the Wild Boar. New types of flower are registered on a more than yearly basis. There exists in the world countless breeds of dog, which used to not exist.

CatFuzz dismisses this as Micro-evolution. That isn't important, my question to you, Red, (and Cat and/or anyone else who is reading and would say that they supported Creationism) is whether you believe that the above, call it micro or macro or mid-term or whatever, is indeed something that can be termed "Evolution"?