Epic Announces "Major" UT3 Expansion

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MaestroMaus

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You and I have different meanings for whining. What people say may be true, but I find it surprising in a negative way mostly because people still make it sound as if it hasn't been said before. I don't know about you, but if I read posts with the same tired complaints (from the same people) for the umpteenth time without being constructive I would consider that whining.
The way this all reads makes me think people would rather not get anything from Epic anymore, in which case they're not doing anyone a favour by posting. Any announcement or news item related to Epic seems to be an excuse to open up the can of worms that is frustrated or angry forum goers who have purchased UT3 and are dissatisfied with it, so they need to vent rage. I for one, am tired to see that happen time and time again.
Alright, we mean different things by whining.
And yeah, it is sometimes tiresome to read it all over again, and again, and again. I can imagine why they are doing it though. They have issues with the game, and Epic does not do anything about it, making them feel misunderstood or ignored on purpose. This makes people angry, and I think you'll agree, that you can't expect angry people to be constructive.

EDIT: On top of that, it seems that either you didn't get the point of my initial post, or you don't want to. People can have issues to mention all they want for however many times they choose, but it is the lack of being constructive while doing so that annoys me.
No, you didn't get i wasn't commenting on that. :) I was commenting on the fact that your story wasn't correct (which is the first part of your post).

Promises are for 11 year olds.

I can argue the crap out of that single line aswell. :)
-What if your mate is a soldier and you promise him to take care of his kids if he dies?
-What about laws? They are a kind of promise too.
-etc.

Meh, better start eating your cookies! :)
 
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Alright, we mean different things by whining.
And yeah, it is sometimes tiresome to read it all over again, and again, and again. I can imagine why they are doing it though. They have issues with the game, and Epic does not do anything about it, making them feel misunderstood or ignored on purpose. This makes people angry, and I think you'll agree, that you can't expect angry people to be constructive.

No, you didn't get i wasn't commenting on that. :) I was commenting on the fact that your story wasn't correct (which is the first part of your post).

Fair enough then. I'm merely trying to provoke some thought in people who do nothing but re-hash their valid but tired arguments in non-constructive ways. And as far as expecting people to be constructive regardless of whether they are angry, depressed, *insert emotion*, yes I do. I expect people can maintain a level head when posting, regardless of the topic. That many people don't seem to understand that the internet amplifies how fast they resort to derogatory use of language is their own fault. You and I seem to be able to respond to each other's posts without using filtered out words of profanity or derision, so why wouldn't I expect it from others? But that is a whole different topic of course :p

For the time being though, I'm looking forward to hearing/seeing what this major expansion entails with hope and enthusiasm.
 

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I can argue the crap out of that single line aswell. :)
-What if your mate is a soldier and you promise him to take care of his kids if he dies?
-What about laws, they are a kind of promise too. Do they only apply to 11 year olds
-etc.

Meh, better start eating your cookies! :)

1) What if you don't? will he stand up from his grave and eat your BRAINZ!!! Will god smite you? No... nothing will happen. If you really mean it you'll notarize it.

2) Laws are not promises. Nobody enforces promises, and laws usually are enforced. Also, laws give and impose rights for both parties. It's a mutual thing, promises... well, often just a single party.

3) no comment... etc. will be forever
 

MaestroMaus

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Fair enough then. I'm merely trying to provoke some thought in people who do nothing but re-hash their valid but tired arguments in non-constructive ways. And as far as expecting people to be constructive regardless of whether they are angry, depressed, *insert emotion*, yes I do. I expect people can maintain a level head when posting, regardless of the topic. That many people don't seem to understand that the internet amplifies how fast they resort to derogatory use of language is their own fault. You and I seem to be able to respond to each other's posts without using filtered out words of profanity or derision, so why wouldn't I expect it from others? But that is a whole different topic of course :p
I agree that it would be better. It is much harder to do that, then to say it though.

For the time being though, I'm looking forward to hearing/seeing what this major expansion entails with hope and enthusiasm.
Cheers! :cheers:

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1) What if you don't? will he stand up from his grave and eat your BRAINZ!!! Will god smite you? No... nothing will happen. If you really mean it you'll notarize it.

2) Laws are not promises. Nobody enforces promises, and laws usually are enforced. Also, laws give and impose rights for both parties. It's a mutual thing, promises... well, often just a single party.

3) no comment... etc. will be forever

1) Guild and social disrespect from your/his surroundings?

2) Social control enforces promises. A not too far stretching definition of law would be a regional/national/international promise to do or not to do something. A democratic society can't survive if the community can't rely on people to keep their promises. That is why we need to enforce the most important ones. We write them down to be clear to everyone (although interpretation can still mess it up pretty good). We don't want innocent people behind bars.

Sorry for the clumsy edits.
 
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Come on, you honestly can't see the overwhelming similarity between the necris storyline and chronicles of riddick (and whatever riddick copied from)?
Well, let's see...

The Necris are a product of a corporation named Phayder, that bring people back from the death using nanoblacks and use them for their own purpouse. (and sells that service to other corporations too)

The Necromongers are a religious army founded by a man who has been in another universe and gained supernatural powers. Now he has an army of converted brainwashed people and use them to destroy worlds and gain even more power trying to conquer the entire galaxy.

I don't see a lot of common points to be honest...
 

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Unreal Tournament is a great franchise first and foremost for the PC. Therefore they should seriously just worry about the damn PC right now for the game.
With all the X-Box 360 piracy going on at the moment, it would be foolish of them to even consider wasting their time with it. The employees at Epic need to support their families you know!

For Mark Rein's sake, why can't people just enjoy the platform of their choice?

I never advocated a 360 only release; I only hoped that the 360 gamers were not left out. It would be fine and dandy by me if they released this new "expansion" for the 360, PS3 and the PC. Happy now?

Do your PC have pee-pee envy over the 360? Many people bought UT for the 360, many of them are playing online right now.

And that article you link to is not piracy. It is direct theft of the product. Piracy involves illegal copying of the product. This guy was caught stealing the product and attempted to sell the stolen merchandise.

If PC gamers are so stupid that they cannot tell the difference between piracy and merchandise theft, then no wonder Epic is abandoning the PC gamer market. Fool!
 

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1) Guild and social disrespect from your/his surroundings?

2) Social control enforces promises. A not too far stretching definition of law would be a regional/national/international promise to do or not to do something. A democratic society can't survive if the community can't rely on people to keep their promises. That is why we need to enforce the most important ones. We write them down to be clear to everyone (although interpretation can still mess it up pretty good). We don't want innocent people behind bars.

1) I assume you mean guilt, that's just an emotion. Social disrespect, enough easy escapes for that

2) Law doesn't anything to do with democracy. And as for promises w.r.t. law, as far as I recall I never promised anything which law forbids. But I'm still obligated to respect the law, because there is a good incentive: actual punishment, either in freedom (e.g. prison) or economic possibilities (e.g. fines). Then again... even though killing is against the law, quite some people do it as part of their job (e.g. army). Not so much for promises there.
As for "no innocent people behind bars", that's simply bull****, there have been a **** load of innocent people behind bars. Nah... law doesn't have much to do with promises.
 

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But, to be fair, there are probably less people playing vanilla gametypes in either of those games than in UT3. :) It is IMPOSSIBLE to find a vanilla game in UT. Every server has 800 mutators on it that change everything from gamespeed to weapon balance to "netcode". It's ridiculous.

I'm not convinced either way regarding UT99. I know that there's still some regular weapons UT99 CTF action going on (Haley's Hothouse, PUG matches) and presumably some regular weapons Deathmatch.

As for UT 2004, there are populated Onslaught servers that don't use funny mutators.
 

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The story is supposed to be taken with joke........it's not a story you should expect being to be so oh great and epic

I didn't expect it to be great. I also didn't expect it to be sooo bad. I didn't "need' any story for the first 2 1/2 games (but the few paragraphs of story in the readme files or wherever I saw them were simple yet fun and left a lot to my imagination).

I really hope the retcon the story and make most the lamer aspects like they never happened (F.L.A.G.S, Uber-Ghetto Malcolm, Marcus Fenix's asian half brother as the star character.)
 

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There still are number of vanilla servers around. For example DutchNet TDM server with reclis is always populated not mentioning numerous DM/CTF servers.

Brizz and I are in the U.S., so unfortunatly your euro servers do not help us :[ Also relics = fail for me, I want stock DM/TDM/CTF. Competitive mods or netcode mods are fine by since they don't rape the gameplay, but I can only find public insta servers.

If I want TDM I have to go to IRC to pug, which is fun, but it's nice to play around in a public DM server once in a while :[
 

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and it's better than the previous titles

It wasn't. The other backstories worked. It was a tournament, they didn't have to make up stupid crap to explain the rules. In UT3, on the other hand, they took all the same gamemodes, weapons, etc. and tried to put them in a different context that made no sense.

Respawners in a war? Capture the Field Lattice Generator? Would a military unit issue all those wacky spectacular UT weapons? Would they issue frickin' hoverboards? It's all just so dumb. It's like they just wanted all the GoW fans to buy it, they didn't really care how stupid they made the UT franchise in the process.

They had to make cut-scenes because the GoW fans went nuts for it in GoW, they had to strip out the tournament altogether and make it about a war, because GoW is about a war. They had to make everybody a stumpy round muscle-fatty because that's what the characters in GoW were. And where did the colors go?

Anyway, the whole idea was awful to begin with, but they spent time and resources on it, when the game really needed attention in so many other areas. I would rather they focus on important things, not this joke of a story.

And I actually think the story would be better for it if it ends there. It's like there's a lesson to be learned about revenge, a moral to the story. Of course that's probably too highbrow a concept for Epic's writers.
 

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Brizz and I are in the U.S., so unfortunatly your euro servers do not help us :[ Also relics = fail for me, I want stock DM/TDM/CTF. Competitive mods or netcode mods are fine by since they don't rape the gameplay, but I can only find public insta servers.

If I want TDM I have to go to IRC to pug, which is fun, but it's nice to play around in a public DM server once in a while :[
What he said. The European side of UT and UT2004 are different, though not really highly populated (from what I see in the server browser speaking of pubs only).
 

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For Mark Rein's sake, why can't people just enjoy the platform of their choice?

I never advocated a 360 only release; I only hoped that the 360 gamers were not left out. It would be fine and dandy by me if they released this new "expansion" for the 360, PS3 and the PC. Happy now?

Do your PC have pee-pee envy over the 360? Many people bought UT for the 360, many of them are playing online right now.

And that article you link to is not piracy. It is direct theft of the product. Piracy involves illegal copying of the product. This guy was caught stealing the product and attempted to sell the stolen merchandise.

If PC gamers are so stupid that they cannot tell the difference between piracy and merchandise theft, then no wonder Epic is abandoning the PC gamer market. Fool!

Because the platforms are not the same, they are not identical, and the platforms have different demands both physically, and the expectations of their fanbases.

You just cannot make one game version that playes ideally on both the Xbox/PS3 and the PC, nomatter which platform you make it for, the platform you port it to will have shotcommings and problems, or fail to live up to the expectations of its users.

Here's just a couple of things for you to chew on:

  • The Controller versus the KB/M, Consoles ship with the gamepad as a standard, therefor its games are designed to fit around it, however, it does not, by any means, have the same volume of input options as a Keyboard does, nor does it have the precision of the Mouse, this means there are core differences in how you design games for one or the other, how UI's can and should work to be userfreindly, how many options you can manipulate before it becomes information overload and a chore to do, how many real-time commands/moves/options you can control ingame and so forth, usually this means that if you port from Console to PC, the game will feel dumbed down and devoid of options that we would expect to find in a PC game, and the controls usually feel "off" somehow, and if you port from PC to Console, it will feel conveluted, fidgety and like a chore, and the controls can often be unforgiving and hard, and some things just wont port propperly at all, so features and options allmost allways get terminated in the process, the two input systems are just not the same, and someone is going to get the short end of the stick in a port (and usually it is us PC players who draw the shortest straw, and we are mighty tired of it!).
  • Current gen Consoles just don't have enough RAM compared to current PC's, this puts a cieling on many things, how big textures can be, how many sounds you can use, how many different meshes you can draw, etc etc.
  • Current gen Consoles only support around 16 players online, whereas the PC will support 32 or even 64 players, this is quite the problem when making maps, big 32 player maps are no fun on the Consoles, and having only small 16 player maps is not acceptable for the PC, so someone is going to get shafted, either by having a whole bunch of big maps they can't fill, or by having too few maps that is playable on a 32 player server.

People will stop caring about platforms the day they make a Console that offers the same abillities as a PC, but no sooner, the way things are now, ports allways mean that someone gets shafted, one way or the other, something is not going to perform to expectation, even the really well made ports like CoD4 still suffer from the two platforms differences (CoD4 really lacks MP maps that are suitable for 32 player servers).

There is a way around this however, they could build very different versions for the Consoles and the PC.. but its not profitable, its too expensive to do, and the payoff is just not big enough, hence nobody does it, some do it to a degree, but never fully, and thus there will allways be compromises in the games.


So to answer your question: do we have "pee-pee envy over the 360"? No, quite the opposite, we are sick and tired of beeing limited by the 360 and PS3, we have more controls, we have more RAM, we have more precision, we can handle more onscreen information, we have more raw horsepower under the hood, and we want to use it!
 

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I'm guessing that they're using the expansion as way to quietly cut off the PC and the Unreal series, so that they won't hear as much complaining. I still hope it's good, my UT3 has been collecting dust for almost a year now.
 

TheIronKnuckle

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I'm pretty sure someone who has played the UT series competetively in regards to lans, ladders, clanbase cups, and pickup games for years has more credibility in regards to what makes a map good for competition than someone who plays Logue 24/7. You are an offline player. You make map strategies based upon predicatable paths and movements that are constantly used by bots everytime you load the game. You have no idea what makes a map have good flow just for that simple fact. Competetive online players are the ONLY ones who can truly judgement a map for great gameplay flow. That's why some maps make the cut for competition and others end up on servers that have CTF-DagnyPlayhouseAdventure.
Elitest much? Really bad superiority complex you got right there, you should get a check up.

Competitive online players ONLY? Meh, I think any online player would have some clue... lets not mention lan either, I mean cmon everyone knows a true comp has as little latency as possible.
Don't forget offliners. :D

I guess the slomo mutator is better than nothing? there's probably console commands to change the game speed in real time like you could with the older unreal games, I haven't really looked into ut3 in detail that much yet.
Console commands eh? I might try em, but as it stands the slo mo mutator is good enough. And the thing is, i only want to slow down the bots AI speed (reaction time and all that stuff) but i don't want to slow down the whole game. I'll just wait for the expansion to fix everything up. :)
I respect your choice about not playing online, people can still enjoy lots of great game experiences offline I know, limitless amounts of maps and mods to load up. Going online and getting involved in all of that can turn many people into azzwholes when they turn really competitive and get all serious about who is better. Say if you're in a real room fragging with some m8s and they keep fragging you or doing something annoying like some pitched tent and you say fu and you azzwhole, basturd or something like that all in fun but if you react like that on a server its not seen as funny but insulting and an internerd fight might start, someone is seen as an undesirable because that style of harsh humour isn't understood and someone might get kicked/banned.
You deserve respect. Why can't other people take this post as an example of how to say things right..... :):tup:
Staying offline keeps you away from all that bs :)
This nails it on the head.
I don't think that guy should be banned, differing opinions on the situation should be welcomed, just laugh it off or ignore him if it's offending ;)
well he's on read-only for now, so it's all good. And yeah i would laugh it off as a different opinion but i can't stand people insulting my skills and intelligence when they have neither played against me nor met me.
say what? bootylicious lol
woot+fantastic+fabulous (or bu lol)+delicious+terrific :D
lol i haven't tried to pronounce it.

I like you Labnetik, you own. \o/
Yeah he is pretty cool eh :). He knows how to make a post.
People like IronKnuckle wouldn't survive online anyway, he got so upset when I said offline players don't know anything about map flow(WHICH IS TRUE)
OMFG I would tell you to shut up with this prejudiced BS but you're already on read-only so i can just thank the mods.
and went on a PMS rampage.
PMS rampage? The hell is that?!? Are you accusing me of sending offensive PM's?
Lord knows what he would do if he went online and someone told him he was a terrible player and sucked. //wrist anyone?
:lol: Lord knows eh? Well I'll deliver his divine knowledge to you: If someone said i sucked and was terrible, I would go and prove him wrong. I would pwn the asshat who spoke such blasphemy.


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Back to the topic, please!
sorry hal, i was writing this post when you made yours so i didn't see this message. I agree.
Moar talk about the expansion!
 
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1) I assume you mean guilt, that's just an emotion. Social disrespect, enough easy escapes for that

2) Law doesn't anything to do with democracy. And as for promises w.r.t. law, as far as I recall I never promised anything which law forbids. But I'm still obligated to respect the law, because there is a good incentive: actual punishment, either in freedom (e.g. prison) or economic possibilities (e.g. fines). Then again... even though killing is against the law, quite some people do it as part of their job (e.g. army). Not so much for promises there.
As for "no innocent people behind bars", that's simply bull****, there have been a **** load of innocent people behind bars. Nah... law doesn't have much to do with promises.
I disagree, but I'll end the discussion here because of:
Back to the topic, please!
Aye, sir!
 

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UT2004 movement & gravity with UT3 graphics would be great!

Roll on the jump from UT2003 to UT2004