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this is the most active topic on the forums ever! 10 pages on my computer,and i think i had it display more posts then usuall...
But the White House has an anti-missile defence, which should surely act as an anti aircrat device as well, so why didn't the pentagon have something like that?
Anti-Aircraft Batteries need time to aquire a target and compute a firing solution. The Pentagon is right next to an airport. It's obvious that they didnt have the time between realising that the Plane wasn't heading to the airport and the time it crsahed into the Pentagon.
Like I said above. My friend was on the phone with her best friend when the plane struck her office. There was almost no warning
Like I said above. My friend was on the phone with her best friend when the plane struck her office. There was almost no warning
Re: Civilians in Afgh. and Palastine
I don't want to sound cynical, but if it really way Bin Laden and the Taliban, an US/NATO attack on the Taliban would actually help the people in Afghanistan by weakening the Taliban....
Besides that 100% ACK.
I don't want to sound cynical, but if it really way Bin Laden and the Taliban, an US/NATO attack on the Taliban would actually help the people in Afghanistan by weakening the Taliban....
Besides that 100% ACK.
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About the knives...
Are we forgetting that up until this happened it was LEGAL to carry certain types of knives onto commercial aircraft??? For EX: someone who collects them and has a particularly valuable one.
That's over now, finally.
What do you guys think of sky marshalls? In the old days they used to have them. Having military personnel on all commercial aircraft.
Maybe we should arm our flight attendants???
Are we forgetting that up until this happened it was LEGAL to carry certain types of knives onto commercial aircraft??? For EX: someone who collects them and has a particularly valuable one.
That's over now, finally.
What do you guys think of sky marshalls? In the old days they used to have them. Having military personnel on all commercial aircraft.
Maybe we should arm our flight attendants???
A possible Idea is to keep all cockpits locked in-flight and Train/equip every Pilot, CoPilot and Comm Officer with a Low-velocity Sidearm.
Its is a sad but real fact that the days of inviting a kid up to see the cockpit are now over
Its is a sad but real fact that the days of inviting a kid up to see the cockpit are now over
The most likely scenerio is that the inital plan was to hit the WhiteHouse. But the president wasn't there. With the President out of reach, The next Target of Opportunity was the Pentagon. If this was a pre-planned Secondary target or The first Official Building they saw is anyone's guess.
Plane 4 possibly intended to Strike Airforce1 once it was on the Runway at Andrews. This possibility was why Airforce 1 was diverted away from a predictable location and Bush wasnt immediatly back in DC. It was a decision made by Secret service and Defence officials, Not BUSH.
The Terrorist team on board Flight 93 probably had a secondary objective as well, but the Passenger revolt Stoped this and brought that plane down in an uninhabited area. (I drove through that part of PA on last Friday)
Plane 4 possibly intended to Strike Airforce1 once it was on the Runway at Andrews. This possibility was why Airforce 1 was diverted away from a predictable location and Bush wasnt immediatly back in DC. It was a decision made by Secret service and Defence officials, Not BUSH.
The Terrorist team on board Flight 93 probably had a secondary objective as well, but the Passenger revolt Stoped this and brought that plane down in an uninhabited area. (I drove through that part of PA on last Friday)
Passengers voted to attack hijackers
September 13, 2001 Posted: 9:30 AM EDT (1330 GMT)
Passenger Thomas E. Burnett Jr. made four calls to his wife before the plane he was on crashed in Pennsylvania.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Passengers on board the hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in rural Pennsylvania Tuesday apparently decided to attack the terrorists who had commandeered the plane, according to family members of one passenger.
Passenger Jeremy Glick, flying with his 2-month-old child Emerson, called his wife Liz and in-laws in New York on a cell phone to say the plane had been hijacked.
All 38 passengers, and possibly the crew, had been herded to the back of the plane.
Glick said they were aware a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and that some passengers were talking about retaking control of their plane.
Moments earlier, according to a partial transcript of cockpit chatter obtained by CNN Wednesday, air traffic controllers heard someone shout, "Get out of here," through an open microphone.
The plane, which took off from Newark bound for San Francisco, was near Cleveland, flying at 35,000 feet.
The microphone goes off and comes back on. Scuffling is heard. Somebody again yells, "Get out of here."
The microphone goes off again, then on, and a voice in broken English -- an Arabic accent, according to a source who heard the tape -- says:
"There is a bomb on board. This is the captain speaking. Remain in your seat. There is a bomb on board. Stay quiet. We are meeting with their demands. We are returning to the airport."
The microphone goes off.
At that point, air traffic radar showed the plane abruptly turning 180 degrees, heading southeast, apparently toward Washington with the possible intention of crashing it into the White House or Capitol.
Joanne Makely, Glick's mother-in-law, told CNN Wednesday the family called New York state police on another phone while Glick was still on the line and relayed messages to them from Glick.
Glick told police he could see three men he described as Arabs and that the plane was over countryside, according to Makely.
One of the hijackers "had a red box he said was a bomb, and one had a knife of some nature," Makely said.
Glick was not the only person on the flight to make a phone call during the hijacking.
The Associated Press reported Wednesday that a 911 dispatcher received a call from an unidentified man who said, "We're being hijacked!"
A flight attendant called her husband and told him three other attendants had been stabbed by the hijackers, according to an airline employee who asked not to be named.
Passenger Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, made four calls to his wife Deena in San Ramon, California, the AP said.
"A group of us are going to do something," Burnett said at one point, his wife told the AP. He also said one passenger had been stabbed.
Glick and Burnett both said in their calls the people on board knew of one or more attacks on the World Trade Center, evidently from the other phone calls.
"He wanted to know if that was true," Makely said.
After Glick was told the reports were true, he left the phone for a while, returning to say, "The men voted to attack the terrorists," Makely said.
"He left the phone and said he would be back," Makely said. "That's the last we heard."
Emergency workers look at the crater created when United Airlines Flight 93 crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Burnett's wife told the AP her husband "thought he was going to be home. He was going to solve this problem."
Passenger Mark Bingham, 31, called his mother to say the plane had been taken over by three men who said they had a bomb, the AP reported.
Bingham's mother, Alice Hoglan said she thinks her son may have helped prevent the hijackers from hitting a more populated area.
"It gives me a great deal of comfort to know that my son may have been able to avert the killing of many, many innocent people," she said.
Makely described Glick as 6-feet-2, 220 pounds, and an athlete. She did not know how many men voted to attack the terrorists.
Glick's father-in-law, Richard Makely, said he took the phone, hoping to hear Glick come back and say the passengers and crew had regained control of the plane.
Instead, he said, "I heard the end of the story."
He would not say exactly what he heard, other than to say "it would not have indicated" what ultimately caused the plane's nose dive into a field in Somerset County, southeast of Pittsburgh, 90 minutes after the first airliner hit one of the twin towers in New York.
September 13, 2001 Posted: 9:30 AM EDT (1330 GMT)
Passenger Thomas E. Burnett Jr. made four calls to his wife before the plane he was on crashed in Pennsylvania.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Passengers on board the hijacked United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in rural Pennsylvania Tuesday apparently decided to attack the terrorists who had commandeered the plane, according to family members of one passenger.
Passenger Jeremy Glick, flying with his 2-month-old child Emerson, called his wife Liz and in-laws in New York on a cell phone to say the plane had been hijacked.
All 38 passengers, and possibly the crew, had been herded to the back of the plane.
Glick said they were aware a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and that some passengers were talking about retaking control of their plane.
Moments earlier, according to a partial transcript of cockpit chatter obtained by CNN Wednesday, air traffic controllers heard someone shout, "Get out of here," through an open microphone.
The plane, which took off from Newark bound for San Francisco, was near Cleveland, flying at 35,000 feet.
The microphone goes off and comes back on. Scuffling is heard. Somebody again yells, "Get out of here."
The microphone goes off again, then on, and a voice in broken English -- an Arabic accent, according to a source who heard the tape -- says:
"There is a bomb on board. This is the captain speaking. Remain in your seat. There is a bomb on board. Stay quiet. We are meeting with their demands. We are returning to the airport."
The microphone goes off.
At that point, air traffic radar showed the plane abruptly turning 180 degrees, heading southeast, apparently toward Washington with the possible intention of crashing it into the White House or Capitol.
Joanne Makely, Glick's mother-in-law, told CNN Wednesday the family called New York state police on another phone while Glick was still on the line and relayed messages to them from Glick.
Glick told police he could see three men he described as Arabs and that the plane was over countryside, according to Makely.
One of the hijackers "had a red box he said was a bomb, and one had a knife of some nature," Makely said.
Glick was not the only person on the flight to make a phone call during the hijacking.
The Associated Press reported Wednesday that a 911 dispatcher received a call from an unidentified man who said, "We're being hijacked!"
A flight attendant called her husband and told him three other attendants had been stabbed by the hijackers, according to an airline employee who asked not to be named.
Passenger Thomas E. Burnett Jr., 38, made four calls to his wife Deena in San Ramon, California, the AP said.
"A group of us are going to do something," Burnett said at one point, his wife told the AP. He also said one passenger had been stabbed.
Glick and Burnett both said in their calls the people on board knew of one or more attacks on the World Trade Center, evidently from the other phone calls.
"He wanted to know if that was true," Makely said.
After Glick was told the reports were true, he left the phone for a while, returning to say, "The men voted to attack the terrorists," Makely said.
"He left the phone and said he would be back," Makely said. "That's the last we heard."
Emergency workers look at the crater created when United Airlines Flight 93 crashed near Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
Burnett's wife told the AP her husband "thought he was going to be home. He was going to solve this problem."
Passenger Mark Bingham, 31, called his mother to say the plane had been taken over by three men who said they had a bomb, the AP reported.
Bingham's mother, Alice Hoglan said she thinks her son may have helped prevent the hijackers from hitting a more populated area.
"It gives me a great deal of comfort to know that my son may have been able to avert the killing of many, many innocent people," she said.
Makely described Glick as 6-feet-2, 220 pounds, and an athlete. She did not know how many men voted to attack the terrorists.
Glick's father-in-law, Richard Makely, said he took the phone, hoping to hear Glick come back and say the passengers and crew had regained control of the plane.
Instead, he said, "I heard the end of the story."
He would not say exactly what he heard, other than to say "it would not have indicated" what ultimately caused the plane's nose dive into a field in Somerset County, southeast of Pittsburgh, 90 minutes after the first airliner hit one of the twin towers in New York.
HEROS.
Makes me wanna cry every tme i hear about Calls from the hijacked planes. True Heros onboard.
Makes me wanna cry every tme i hear about Calls from the hijacked planes. True Heros onboard.
Im just curios....
What are you people doing to help this nation???
Im not saying get off your ass and do something, i just wanna know if any one in the PUF community is doing anything. I for one am donating blood after work and if things escalate i am seriously considering Enlisting into the military.
What are you people doing to help this nation???
Im not saying get off your ass and do something, i just wanna know if any one in the PUF community is doing anything. I for one am donating blood after work and if things escalate i am seriously considering Enlisting into the military.
Some of my experiences through this and some postive things happening..
I live on long island, about 30 miles east of NYC.
I drove my 6 month pregnant wife to work at around 830 AM, about 15 miles east of NYC. My radio doesnt work in my car so The first attack happened on my way and I had no idea. I dropper her off and headed home. I get home and I receive a call from my wifes ex-step father telling me the WTC wass hit by a plane. My wife mother works on the 87th floor of the 2nd tower.
I watched in horror on live tv as the 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower. I broke down and cried. I then worried for my wifes safety and also that of her emotional well being and the health of our unborn child. if she saw what I saw, god..She called me and let me knew that she knew what was going on. Her people at work kept her calm, she was amazingly the calmest of all them, knowing that her mom worked in building 2. We obviously couldnt call to see if she was OK. I staye don the phone with her for almost an hour and decided I needed to go pick her up and get her home. They were closing ALL roads WEST bound on Long island for emergency vehicles only towards NYC. I did 90 MPH and got 2 exits before her exit and they closed the Expressway in fornt of me, I got off on the service road and made it to her place.
We then got a call at around 12 that her Mom was working in the field and was NOT at work in the WTC. She was on long island in the field, god, what a relief...Currently, 50 of the 81 people on her floor are missing...God bless all of them and I pray they are ok... Sorry for the book but I needed to vent...now, some pretty amazing things going on in NY.
The lines to give blood are HUGE, theyre actually telling people to come back later or tomorrow. Materials for the rescue workers are being picked up all throough Long island, t-shirts, baby wipes (fthats how the rescue workers are taking showers) non-canned food, 5 gallon buckets for moving debris..
One last thing, Yesterday a lady's car ran out of gas at a light on a busy street..7 cars stopped and helped her push her car to the side of the road...7 cars..I mean, it's rare that anyone stops and helps someone...I watched and just smiled...its a shame something this horrible has to happen for people to band together and show the kindness we should all show each other...
MM
I live on long island, about 30 miles east of NYC.
I drove my 6 month pregnant wife to work at around 830 AM, about 15 miles east of NYC. My radio doesnt work in my car so The first attack happened on my way and I had no idea. I dropper her off and headed home. I get home and I receive a call from my wifes ex-step father telling me the WTC wass hit by a plane. My wife mother works on the 87th floor of the 2nd tower.
I watched in horror on live tv as the 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower. I broke down and cried. I then worried for my wifes safety and also that of her emotional well being and the health of our unborn child. if she saw what I saw, god..She called me and let me knew that she knew what was going on. Her people at work kept her calm, she was amazingly the calmest of all them, knowing that her mom worked in building 2. We obviously couldnt call to see if she was OK. I staye don the phone with her for almost an hour and decided I needed to go pick her up and get her home. They were closing ALL roads WEST bound on Long island for emergency vehicles only towards NYC. I did 90 MPH and got 2 exits before her exit and they closed the Expressway in fornt of me, I got off on the service road and made it to her place.
We then got a call at around 12 that her Mom was working in the field and was NOT at work in the WTC. She was on long island in the field, god, what a relief...Currently, 50 of the 81 people on her floor are missing...God bless all of them and I pray they are ok... Sorry for the book but I needed to vent...now, some pretty amazing things going on in NY.
The lines to give blood are HUGE, theyre actually telling people to come back later or tomorrow. Materials for the rescue workers are being picked up all throough Long island, t-shirts, baby wipes (fthats how the rescue workers are taking showers) non-canned food, 5 gallon buckets for moving debris..
One last thing, Yesterday a lady's car ran out of gas at a light on a busy street..7 cars stopped and helped her push her car to the side of the road...7 cars..I mean, it's rare that anyone stops and helps someone...I watched and just smiled...its a shame something this horrible has to happen for people to band together and show the kindness we should all show each other...
MM
You NEED to wait a week or so, JJAX.
From my friend at the Red Cross.......
We have been very busy down
here at Florida Blood Services. I thank God that we as Americans stick
together in these times of need. I also want to urge you all (if you
can) to give blood within your community. But, you need not give it
right now. Blood is only good for 42 days. We will need it more in a
few weeks and will probably really be in dire need in a couple months.
Since donors who have given in these last two days will not be eligible
to give again for 56 days. There may be a two week period where we have
none. Please consider donating within the next few weeks instead of
this week. We always have a shortage of blood nationwide, but with what
has happened in the last week, we may have a real serious problem in the
near future.
I lwill keep all of you in my prayers!
Kellie
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I will give blood next week. What else CAN we do, JJAX???
If they'd let me help I'd do anything, including dig thru rubble to find people.
If you live far away and want to help, donate to the red cross at
National Donations
1-800-HELP-NOW (1-800-435-7669)
Some stuff Long Island is doing
MM
National Donations
1-800-HELP-NOW (1-800-435-7669)
Some stuff Long Island is doing
MM
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