QFT, its very sad as there are some decent games that have just come out, but more & more they are being labeled Windows LIVE & I'm not certain this is a good thing. It kind of has doo-doo-bird written all over it.
What would revive the UT franchise?
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QFT, its very sad as there are some decent games that have just come out, but more & more they are being labeled Windows LIVE & I'm not certain this is a good thing. It kind of has doo-doo-bird written all over it.
brdempsey69, you still don't get it.
On topic, then: the damage made to UT is also YOUR fault. Your reputation here and elsewhere is also "unrepairable", nobody will ever believe that you care about any of this. You're a liar and an hypocrite
*sigh* I'm just bored.
Back on topic, what would in the end revive the UT franchise? No clue, let them to their job, knowing that we're much better served with them than with other studios.
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On topic, then: the damage made to UT is also YOUR fault. Your reputation here and elsewhere is also "unrepairable", nobody will ever believe that you care about any of this. You're a liar and an hypocrite
*sigh* I'm just bored.
Back on topic, what would in the end revive the UT franchise? No clue, let them to their job, knowing that we're much better served with them than with other studios.
On the contrary, I get it just fine. It's you who are not getting it as evidenced by your response. I offer a handshake & you spit my face.
How could the damage that was done to UT3 be my fault? That's pure bulls**t & you know it. The damage to UT3 was done right from the get-go when it was released in the state it was. You have had that spelled out to you repeatedly, not just by me, but by others. Therefore who is the liar here? Your looking for a scapegoat, instead of really wanting to accept the reality of the situation. I will repeat it, even though you sound like you need to have it put into braille and shoved up your arse for you to understand it. The damage to UT3 was done right from the get-go, because of the state it was in & the timing of it's release was wrong. What part of that don't you get ?
As for my reputation, here or wherever, that's my concern, not yours. You sound like you are spooked by me, otherwise you wouldn't have made such a comment, even though I had made somewhat of a peace offering in my last response to you.
As for being a liar and hypocrite, you really, really need to look long and hard in the mirror & ask yourself just much that applies to you before you go pointing your plastic finger at the next guy.
I'm off to play UT3 with friend, so take a suck pill, Benfica.
FuLLBLeeD, I had made somthing of peace offering in my last post to him. He is without excuse.
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brdempsey I haven't played UT3 in over months, but now I want to play with/against you because YOU ARE THE DESTROYER OF UT3.
You are my new e-hero.
You are my new e-hero.
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Haha Ut3 is a dead game look how cutting edge meta I am.
The reality is arena shooters aren't popular anymore. The skill ceiling is too high for them. UT3 has a huge install base but no one bothers playing it online, and that's really the problem. I think Epic should take a page out of Valve's playbook for the next Unreal Tournament. I think the series is due for a big revival. I'm so sick and tired and of these dull grey and brown war shooters, I need to shoot people with lasers and rockets.
People can't stand anything but co-op any more. That way they have people to blame when they get pwnt.
Arena style shooters made the horrible mistake of requiring people to actually develop some level of skill in order to compete. Add to this that too many selfish, egomaniacal children can't even be happy getting into the top 2-5 slots on 20 player servers, and yeah, UT3 was doomed from the start.
UT3 would require co-op only game modes in order to hope to survive another release. It's sell much better, and more people would play it as they'd receive that "I'm so pro (cause even though I'm too dumb to realize it, my team carried my sorry ass) look I won!" feeling.
I blame Halo and MW2 for dumbing down the skill ceilings of FPS games.
I want to see another real UT, not a dumbed down version. Let's face it, during the Steam sale, UT3 sales rose 3000%. That's a lot of copies. Where are all those people? They aren't playing online because they got discouraged.
There needs to be a way of teaching players the basics of the game: how to time powerups, the importance of not just fragging but staying alive, etc. IN other words, I want to see the "Tournament" aspect incorporated into both single and multiplayer. No more of this dumb "the necris killed my family!" stupidity.
Ok, brdempsey69, whatever. I have some consideration for you though, we are both UT fans, the difference is that you still have too much resentment and frustration.
I believe that they intended to provide exactly that, but they rushed the game and didnt make it for release. With UT3-Black iirc the PS3 has a content browser where console gamers have the possibility to access custom content. Where's that on the PC side?
But what can I do? Blame who, or does it even matter who's to blame? How long will this crap last? This is what I figured out that I was doing here and there. Really, I don't care what or who you are, neither do you care about me. I just used you to try to illustrate my point which happens to be different from some, it was lame, stupid, it will not happen again. I'm sure that everyone's contributions even though being extremely positive, even when most fought an uphill battle for this, even after years of dedication here and other communities, I believe we must let it go. I'm not talking about a future UT4, I'm talking about nostalgia. You are a UT mapper so I'm 100% sure you keep it strong , but you must learn to let it go!
There's no evidence whatsoever. You can't deduce anything from anything I postedbrdempsey69 said:
Ah, ok. Nice that you mention it. Scapegoat does not apply here, we all have dedicated effort to it. I also have the impression that I deserved a better UT3 too! I made a prototype that tried to provide a better access to custom content enthusiasts, so that it would be in fact accessible, stepping over the annoyance that there's no standard way to pack, deliver and install maps, mutators and all that. Why bother? People barely use custom content.
I believe that they intended to provide exactly that, but they rushed the game and didnt make it for release. With UT3-Black iirc the PS3 has a content browser where console gamers have the possibility to access custom content. Where's that on the PC side?
But what can I do? Blame who, or does it even matter who's to blame? How long will this crap last? This is what I figured out that I was doing here and there. Really, I don't care what or who you are, neither do you care about me. I just used you to try to illustrate my point which happens to be different from some, it was lame, stupid, it will not happen again. I'm sure that everyone's contributions even though being extremely positive, even when most fought an uphill battle for this, even after years of dedication here and other communities, I believe we must let it go. I'm not talking about a future UT4, I'm talking about nostalgia. You are a UT mapper so I'm 100% sure you keep it strong , but you must learn to let it go!
Damn right. We told by Epic we were going to get one thing and they delivered another. Look around you while you are here. See one of the above posters named JohnDoe641, who is a moderator here. Ask him how he feels about the way UT3 turned out. What I'm saying is I'm not the only one who feels that way. I have plenty of company.
There's no evidence whatsoever. You can't deduce anything from anything I posted
No evidence? Then what do you call this quote below? Is this a flame or asking your best looking sister for a date? Don't look like it to me.
If what you say is true that I can't deduce what you are saying, then it's because you are talking in circles, just like another poster pointed out to you at Epic forums. Look at my above quote again. Who is it that is not deducing here?
You make some good points here. But, it does matter who's to blame and that would be the people who collected our dollars for the game. They took the money and ran. It's always easier to tell the next guy "don't cry over spilled milk" than it is to be on the opposite end of that statement. Therefore, as for those that totally unhappy with UT3, one has to try to understand where they are coming from and it isn't very hard.
There must be some degree of care on both sides, otherwise we wouldn't be posting back and forth. Think about it. I will once again try to make a peace offering to you -- you can take it or leave it. If you choose to leave it, then don't bother posting responses to me, as all you'll be doing is just spinning your wheels.
I'm not sure I'm following you quite correctly here. Are suggesting that I totally let go of the original UT? Why? It plays great, runs great & everything works the way it's supposed to & it still has the greatest community of all UT games with some of the greatest people. I can't see a valid reason to quit playing original UT. I have all the UT series games that I purchased on my computer. So do many others ( Unreal Anthology ). If I'm not following you correctly, then please be more specific.
Damn it. When did Epic change the forum registration process? I want to comment on stuff but when creating a new again you have to be authorized, and I have never had to any of the other times. If I had known, I would have used a different name....
He is saying that if you worked more in UT3 maybe it would be a better game with your maps or whatever it is you do.
Personally, the game was garbage when it was released and it is not your job to fix it, so i feel his point is moot. Play a game if you like it, not for it's potential.
My perspective and yours is so incompatible that I don't even know to start from.
You however, even if being an excellent mapper, you tend to ruin it. Let's call it even. That's the accusation I make you: you are a very intelligent guy for what I can tell, but you have behaving in a short-sighted manner. You are unable to realize this, and a) you insult and flame people you don't even know; b) you let your frustration and lack of self-moderation to impact other members of the community. What's the point of that? Well, I have not much clue. But regardless, I'm very well aware that even with my contribution, the fact that I flame or I'm arrogant with people here and there towards the UT community reduces the global value of what I tried to offer. You still think it's fine what you're doing? Well, either you need some rest or if you truely are that way, then I hope you change your mind.
That's more less my perspective. I'll look into the rest of your post tomorrow or so
I'm sure you have company. I'm sure that the peeps here and other communities went through a lot, a whole lot. But the bold part is the key. Even with that extreme effort, to keep their personal and family life, they still know to moderate themselves. And by having to deal with it, they realise that some posts, flames, etc... have a negative impact. I personally don't agree with this and that, but I failed to see the big picture. The outcome is positive, they're extremely generous, they give more than they receive. I was wrong. Ok?brdempsey69 said:
You however, even if being an excellent mapper, you tend to ruin it. Let's call it even. That's the accusation I make you: you are a very intelligent guy for what I can tell, but you have behaving in a short-sighted manner. You are unable to realize this, and a) you insult and flame people you don't even know; b) you let your frustration and lack of self-moderation to impact other members of the community. What's the point of that? Well, I have not much clue. But regardless, I'm very well aware that even with my contribution, the fact that I flame or I'm arrogant with people here and there towards the UT community reduces the global value of what I tried to offer. You still think it's fine what you're doing? Well, either you need some rest or if you truely are that way, then I hope you change your mind.
That's more less my perspective. I'll look into the rest of your post tomorrow or so
I don't think that the people who whined and complained about UT3 had no effect on its failure, but let's be honest... the game in original retail form was REALLY bad, and it took them almost a year to fix one of the worst possible offenses in UT history -- horrid custom content support.
First off, I'm NOT an excellent mapper. Once in a blue moon I may put out something, but it's never anything that's going to win any MSUC prizes.
And ruin what? I've explained it to you already that people make up their own minds about things. You make it sound like there are people out there that are empty, mindless specters, that are always going to follow my lead. That is a bunch of baloney. I supported UT3 for a time until I realized that what was broken was never going to be fixed.
Once that realization came about, I could no longer rightfully recommend the game to anyone. Why should I withhold the truth from anyone? Look carefully at what Lostsoul posted to me to get an idea that I'm not alone.
Let me tell you something. When someone makes a false accusation without justification such as this wire right here that was made by flak:
Sorry, but I don't have to personally know that said person to see that they need to have their dumb ass unkindly corrected. Especially when they blatantly know they were doing it, but thought they could get away with it. Never once did I insult anybody in that thread prior to her posting that. Nobody likes to be falsely accused. Her problem was she thought she could get away with it just because she's the moderator of those forums. She was quite wrong & got the rude surprise of a lifetime. That's the only person that I flamed hard-core, because they had it coming. You say what's the point? The point is she won't be so quick to go making false accusations against anyone in the future, because she ain't going to forget what happened here & I have no regrets about it. How you deal with it when it happens to you is your own discretion. As for myself, I will not put up with it. In your case, when you say " That's the accusation I make you ", I can see an amount of uncertainty on your part, which is a whole different scenario, so I don't mind trying to explain myself to you, even though you may not completely understand where I'm coming from. Now perhaps, you maybe have a clue.
Short-sighted? Not at all. I knew exactly what I was doing & why.
And you say it impacts other members of the community? People may take into consideration what's being said, but they make their own decisions, period. Again, you're talking as though people are empty mindless specters or something.
Listen, if you have something of value to offer to the UT community & the community likes it, do you really think that the majority is going to care about whatever spat you may have had with this person or that person? Not likely. I've seen David Munnich have some heated discussion with others. Does that mean that I'm going stop enjoying his maps & stop playing them? No, not at all. Whatever arguments he may have had with others is his concern, not mine. Think for a moment, you're making a spat that I had with another person your concern. It isn't your concern. Leave it between me and said person.
See above & re-read it if you didn't get it the first time.
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