the following are evil....

[Lizard Of Oz]

McDonalds begins their "Cradle To Grave" marketing plan...

 

[MetalMickey]

Nobody's shoving it down your throat.

McDonalds have operated an aggressive marketing strategy that succesfully aimed to culturally institutionalise their product. They have billion dollar divisions of marketing people who work with psychologists and other specialists in order to draw up campaigns which will specifically appeal to children, starting from when their audio-visual perceptions come onstream. Your average US child can identify the golden arches logo long before they can read or write. They couple their agressive targeting of children with a campaign at parents, suggesting that their children will love them more if they take them to McDonalds. So what you have is children brainwashed into nagging parents to take them to McDonalds, and when the parent refuses the child refers to the advert which suggests that parents who love their kids take them to mcdonalds. This **** is nothing short of emotional blackmail, and it works. Go to your local McDonalds and check it out.

None of this is even touching on the issues of Fast Food outlets operating in schools, selling to a captive market of kids. FFS, the school system in the US is so reliant on private income they recieve commission on each meal and soft drink sold to kids! I saw an advertising hoarding from taco bell outside one highschool in the US. I dont imagine it is unique.

Fast food and other corporations have even gained influence over curriculum materials in US schools by funding the cash-strapped system. As well as that, they have successfully bought off enough US politicians to ensure that worker protections are practically nil in their industry, that they can recruit form illegal immigrant markets, the disabled, the chronically unemployable, and various others from the weakest and most vunerable fringes of society, employ them at minimum wage to work long unsociable hours with no insurance or other benfits.

Dont even get me started on their anti-competitive practices in the agricultural sector, where they have driven 95% of the production of potatoes in the US into the hands of just 4 corporations, destroying a sector that was free-market, employing tens of thousands of honest americans trying to make a buck.

Or how they operate their slaughterhouses, with dreadful unhygenic environments, mass prodution of e-coli, dispicable treatment of their largely illegal workforces and rallies against institution of worker rights, health insurance, pensions and everything else.

 

[Zarkazm]

I NEED 2 PLANKS OF SOLID OAK AND SOME NAILS! STAT!!!!

I got no idea what "stat" is supposed to mean, but this is hilarious.

PS: I got a hammer if you need one.

 

[DeeperShade]

[edit]Watch[/edit] ER for 'stat'
And dont worry about the hammer. Ill use tools head... its closer to hand

 

[Ferd]

According to this site
These are the 12 most "evil" corporations, voted by people.

#1 McDonalds
#2 ExxonMobil
#3 Nike
#4 Wal Mart
#5 Disney
#6 Coca Cola
#7 Microsoft
#8 GAP
#9 AOL TW
#10 Starbucks
#11 Clear Channel
#12 Altria

Yeh, that's the list.... a bit dissapointing list.. anyway, this guy's email is interesting:

Dear Ed.,

As the ranking results are unfolding, I am met with considerable surprise. The defense industry giants [Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics], which create weapons of death and destruction and are constantly devising new ways to maim and murder, are receiving among the lowest votes. Perhaps this is because the defense companies "advertise" their wares in ways which are not directed towards "average consumers." Or perhaps no one has noticed the terror that these weapons inflict. The values these companies operate under are in direct violation of anything resembling humanity's progress.

These are surprising results, but useful because they expose a hole in our consciousness. We need to shed light into many such holes, but especially this one because the defense corporations represent a bottomless pit from which thousands of innocent dead never return.

Or this other one

OK, so the dirty dozen were voted by your fans. I have a very hard time with this list. I think you, or your voters, have some kinda tunnel vision. I could beat, your dozen, without even consulting my sources. Where to begin? Dow, McDonnell Douglas, Royal Dutch Shell, Bechtel, Halliburton, Cargill.

McDonalds is bad for what? Bad Burgers? Labor Practices? How does that stack up against napalm and Bhopal? We shouldn't be looking past the corpations that kill so many people.

And as my own addition, it's weird how any tobacco corporation is hardly mentioned.... and they're one of the most evil kinds of corporations ever.

 

[Sam_The_Man]

McDonalds have operated an aggressive marketing strategy that succesfully aimed to culturally institutionalise their product. They have billion dollar divisions of marketing people who work with psychologists and other specialists in order to draw up campaigns which will specifically appeal to children, starting from when their audio-visual perceptions come onstream. Your average US child can identify the golden arches logo long before they can read or write. They couple their agressive targeting of children with a campaign at parents, suggesting that their children will love them more if they take them to McDonalds. So what you have is children brainwashed into nagging parents to take them to McDonalds, and when the parent refuses the child refers to the advert which suggests that parents who love their kids take them to mcdonalds. This **** is nothing short of emotional blackmail, and it works. Go to your local McDonalds and check it out.

So what?

Parents have the ability to resist the advertising, and as they have the money, it's their responsibility. If you don't let your kids nag you into buying Happy Meals every day, they aren't going to grow up with emotional problems, and if adverts convince you of the opposite, you're a moron.

None of this is even touching on the issues of Fast Food outlets operating in schools, selling to a captive market of kids. FFS, the school system in the US is so reliant on private income they recieve commission on each meal and soft drink sold to kids! I saw an advertising hoarding from taco bell outside one highschool in the US. I dont imagine it is unique.

That, I have to agree, is somewhat off, as in the school children don't have their parents to prevent them buying unhealthy food.

Fast food and other corporations have even gained influence over curriculum materials in US schools by funding the cash-strapped system. As well as that, they have successfully bought off enough US politicians to ensure that worker protections are practically nil in their industry, that they can recruit form illegal immigrant markets, the disabled, the chronically unemployable, and various others from the weakest and most vunerable fringes of society, employ them at minimum wage to work long unsociable hours with no insurance or other benfits.

Yeah, let's sack the lot of them, then they'll be happy - dunno why they don't just quit their jobs themselves. (Before you say 'tighter regulation', that amounts to the same thing - higher cost of labour + less productivity --> they don't bother to employ as many people).

No-one is forced to work, even with unemployment in America as high as it is.

Dont even get me started on their anti-competitive practices in the agricultural sector, where they have driven 95% of the production of potatoes in the US into the hands of just 4 corporations, destroying a sector that was free-market, employing tens of thousands of honest americans trying to make a buck.

Subsidies are probably more to blame for that than a single buyer.

Or how they operate their slaughterhouses, with dreadful unhygenic environments, mass prodution of e-coli, dispicable treatment of their largely illegal workforces and rallies against institution of worker rights, health insurance, pensions and everything else.

See above.

Does anyone have any ideas about what we should do with McDonalds? Forcibly shut them down, or force them to change what they sell? We have a name for when governments decide what people sell and what people buy, it's called 'communism'.

 

[Metakill]

Subsidies are probably more to blame for that than a single buyer.

AHA! So you finally admit that far more subsidies go to helping big-business than the little people.

 

[Syri]

people have caught sexually transmitted infections from mcdonalds...

I do believe this is pretty sick and evil...

Their own fault for humping a quarter pounder...

 

[Clayeth]

McDonalds have operated an aggressive marketing strategy that succesfully aimed to culturally institutionalise their product. They have billion dollar divisions of marketing people who work with psychologists and other specialists in order to draw up campaigns which will specifically appeal to children, starting from when their audio-visual perceptions come onstream. Your average US child can identify the golden arches logo long before they can read or write. They couple their agressive targeting of children with a campaign at parents, suggesting that their children will love them more if they take them to McDonalds. So what you have is children brainwashed into nagging parents to take them to McDonalds, and when the parent refuses the child refers to the advert which suggests that parents who love their kids take them to mcdonalds. This **** is nothing short of emotional blackmail, and it works. Go to your local McDonalds and check it out.

When I was young, McDonalds was always treated like a reward. You don't indulge kids with everything they want, or they become spoiled little ****s. To be honest, that is an ingenious marketing scheme. They have been doing it for a long time, and it has been very successful. The point of advertising is to convince people to buy your product. It is up to the person to decide if it's in their (or their child's) best interest or not. This is completely different from, say, using a cartoon camel to sell cigarettes.

one of this is even touching on the issues of Fast Food outlets operating in schools, selling to a captive market of kids. FFS, the school system in the US is so reliant on private income they recieve commission on each meal and soft drink sold to kids! I saw an advertising hoarding from taco bell outside one highschool in the US. I dont imagine it is unique.

The only time I had that was in high school, and it was Pizza. It was really good when they started doing it, because with the food they served in the cafeteria it wasn't uncommon for people to go all day without eating. Having your first meal of the day at 4:00pm after school isn't what I call healthy. Except for the largest of schools, I've not heard of that much. Most college campuses do have some sort of fast food available on campus though. We have Long Johns and KFC in our cafeteria, as well as a deli shop, and a pizza place.

fast food and other corporations have even gained influence over curriculum materials in US schools by funding the cash-strapped system. As well as that, they have successfully bought off enough US politicians to ensure that worker protections are practically nil in their industry, that they can recruit form illegal immigrant markets, the disabled, the chronically unemployable, and various others from the weakest and most vunerable fringes of society, employ them at minimum wage to work long unsociable hours with no insurance or other benfits.

Those vulnerable fringes of society have to work somewhere. Fast food jobs are perfect for unskilled workers and kids getting their first job. You can't expect them to pay people $10 per hour to ask someone if they want fries with that.

Dont even get me started on their anti-competitive practices in the agricultural sector, where they have driven 95% of the production of potatoes in the US into the hands of just 4 corporations, destroying a sector that was free-market, employing tens of thousands of honest americans trying to make a buck.

That's how the free-market works. The one who can make the most of a product, the most efficiently will be the one who is successful. The government needs to quit wasting money on protecting small, inferior businesses and models. It only hurts us in our competition with other countries. When someone outdoes your business, you change or go work for someone else.

Or how they operate their slaughterhouses, with dreadful unhygenic environments, mass prodution of e-coli, dispicable treatment of their largely illegal workforces and rallies against institution of worker rights, health insurance, pensions and everything else.

There needs to be a big crackdown on illegal immigrants period. That would take care of a lot of this problem, as there probably wouldn't be enough Americans who would agree to work in those conditions. As for the e-coli, I've never gotten sick from eating at a fast food resteraunt, although I did from a mid-range resteraunt once. I'm assuming you're talking about the areas of waste, and that being a danger to the workers? There's definately improvements that need to be made in that area.

 

[Daedalus]

well I'm asuming somebody who worked there got some of their bodily fluids in the "secret sauce"...

that's not possible being that those sauces are kept in containers that are completely sealed and then loaded into guns when they're needed, including the mayo


as for this brainwashing crap. If you're taking your kid to mcdonald's everytime they whine or cry or whatever, you're turning them into little brats that will eventually grow up and bully people like me. Hell, I WORK there and still dont eat their food that often.

I'm not even going to argue anymore. Because Tobler seems set in his ways about "POOMFGFGFOGFMGOMFG CAPTIATALISTSS =BAED!!!! OMFG ANAB BAN BANB!!!"

I think 2 said it best "Discussing politics..it's...completely ****ing useless. It like Ted Koppel's toupee, no one gets anywhere with it and no one is going to change their opinion and it's completely ****ing pointless."

 

[Sam_The_Man]

I think 2 said it best "Discussing politics..it's...completely ****ing useless. It like Ted Koppel's toupee, no one gets anywhere with it and no one is going to change their opinion and it's completely ****ing pointless."

This isn't politics. This is like OMG TEH BIG CORPOREALATIONS ARE EVIL AND THEY DESTROY THE RAINFOREST AND I'M A VEGETARIAN BECAUSE I THINK KILLING ANIMALS IS CRUEL WELL I STILL EAT FISH BUT YOU KNOW ONE DAY I'M GOING TO GO VEGAN AND ISN'T AVRIL LAVIGNE GREAT BETTER THAN THOSE POSER BANDS??????///slashslashcommasemicolonprintscreen

 

[MetalMickey]

This isn't politics. This is like OMG TEH BIG CORPOREALATIONS ARE EVIL AND THEY DESTROY THE RAINFOREST

Of course - anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an ignorant moron incapable of rational thought, right?

You think there is no such thing as a corporation that fits the dictionary description of evil (Morally bad or wrong; wicked)?

Perhaps your time would be better spent studying a little recent Latin-American history, rather than using Straw Man tactics in this debate.

 

[Ferd]

they have money, they're better than us!!.... they cant be bad or evil!!.

 

[Metakill]

It's OK to eat fish because they don't have any feelings.

Anyways, McDonalds and Nike and the other consumer level crap is just a minor evil, a sympton of Western stupidity and complacency, not a real malicious "take over the world" evil. For that you need to look to Rupert Murdoch and his Fox News network.

Also you should know that consumption of McDonalds is going down in the US and they are losing tons of money. This is why they are (supposedly) reducing the fat content of their menu items. See, popular pressure does work, grass roots movements are never pointless.

 

[hal]

So, uh... how is Rupert Murdoch going to take over the world?

 

[Kaligraphic]

So, uh... how is Rupert Murdoch going to take over the world?

Carefully. Very carefully.

And here is a truly evil product

 

[})FA|Snake]

None of this is even touching on the issues of Fast Food outlets operating in schools, selling to a captive market of kids. FFS, the school system in the US is so reliant on private income they recieve commission on each meal and soft drink sold to kids! I saw an advertising hoarding from taco bell outside one highschool in the US. I dont imagine it is unique.

where I live there are state laws against that sort of thing, they aren't even allowed to sell us choclate in school (caffeine is considered a "drug")

 

[Sam_The_Man]

OMG QWNED!

Of course - anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an ignorant moron incapable of rational thought, right?

No.

But I simply don't see much 'rational thought' in "these are evil" and listing a single one-sided protest site for each 'evil' thing.

You think there is no such thing as a corporation that fits the dictionary description of evil (Morally bad or wrong; wicked)?

Nope. They may have practices which are morally bad or wrong; wicked (and even that's a dubious assumption), but as in doing so they produce something which people enjoy enough to buy. We're not talking about Captain Planet baddies randomly bulldozing trees because it's fun, or Darth Vader going around choking McDonalds employees who drop a burger on the floor. We're talking about a means to an end, which is far more ambiguous.

Perhaps your time would be better spent studying a little recent Latin-American history, rather than using Straw Man tactics in this debate.

Yeah yeah I know, go away and do something that I'm almost certain not to have the time or inclination to do otherwise I can't possibly grasp the issue with the same level of understanding as you - and more than that, go away and do something incredibly vague so I couldn't do the right thing anyway if I did decide to obey you.

 

[D66]

Hey!
I work in the Defense industry.

I guess Ford is evil for retooling it's factories to build Sherman Tanks to fight the Nazis
And Rolls Royce for all the Spitfire engines that were used to combat the Blitz

My point is
The world is not Black and White
EVERYTHING has more than 2 sides to it.
Blanket condemnation only sets the rhetoric to a level where intillegent discussion and actual problem solving becomes impossible as it is drowned out by each side trying to shout their position the loudest

 

[Kaligraphic]

Okay, let me make things simple: McDonalds is going down because it sucks. Plain and simple. The food sucks, the service sucks, the attitude sucks, the prices suck(but not as bad as the rest of it).

I use products made with tanks, fighters, bombs and guns every day: the ability to walk down a street and not be accosted by Nazis demanding to see my papers, the ability to live without being thrown into a gulag because I was a convenient political target, the ability to control my own government instead of having to say "God save the Queen" - if I want to, I can say "screw the queen!". (Dunno who'd want to, but that's another issue.) Freedom always reduces to force against force. Always.