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Stryker8

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we'v been had (again)

source: http://www.counterpunch.org/carvalho.html

Carvalho on CNN Footage

There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the powerof CNN.

All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news
distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN.
Very well, I guess all of you have been seeing (just as
I\'ve been) images from this company. In particular, one set
of images called my attencion: the Palestinians celebrating
the bombing, out on the streets, eating some cake and making
funny faces for the camera.

Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are
images of Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait!
It\'s simply unacceptable that a super-power of
cumminications as CNN uses images which do not correspond to
the reality in talking about so serious an issue.

A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded
in 1991, with the very same images; he\'s been sending
emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV network in Brazil) and
newspapers, denouncing what I myself classify as a crime
against the public opinion. If anyone of you has access to
this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, I\'ll
try to \'put my hands\' on a copy of this tape.

But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images.
Your people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind
broadcast have very high possibility of causing waves of
anger and rage against Palestinians. It\'s simply
irresponsible to show images such as those.

Finally, I\'d like to say that we all regret and condemn all
that has happened in the last days; but Nikos has a point
here. I really don\'t want to be misunderstood here, but the
truth is that US government had shown no respect for other
countries in the last decades. In the 60s and 70s they had
halped lots of military coups throughout the world
(including Brazil in 64). Later, with Reagan and Bush
Father, the Washington Consensus have been demolishing the
bases of our economies, making us more and more dependant
(and, many of us, prehocupied with this situation).

Your current president quickly made things worse: Kioto
Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the exchange of rain
forest for pieces of external debt, tha abandonment of the
position of third party in negotiations between IRA and
England, and between Palestinians and Israel. All those
mistakes in US external politics made your country more
hatred than before, and, of course, more vulnerable.

Listen, I\'m NOT justifying the terrorist actions that took
place in your country; but it seems to me that, if your
leaders had come along another path of thoughts and actions,
you wouldn\'t be suffering what you are now.

Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for
the best of all of us

Marcio A. V. Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil
 

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Hey if you're like me, you enjoy hokey patriotic country music songs so check this one out--> http://members.home.net/timmie321/america.zip It fits the situation perfectly (just replace the word "Russians" with "Terrosists")

Also did you guys see some of the stations were insinuating that the terrorists may have trained on Microsoft Flight Simulator? It was kinda classless on their part, but they showed in game footage of a nyc map and they flew the plane right into the wtc. Pretty creepy looking......

Also you might find it interesting that we got a memo at work from hq asking us to take all the Red Alert 2 boxes off the shelves. If you have the box, flip open the front of it and you'll see another eerily similar scene of the wtc's amidst total chaos. Did you know that they're even postponing certain movies with violent themes (ie Arnold's Schwarznegger's (sp?) new flick)
 

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Originally posted by |PoT|FaRmErX
No Marquis of Queensbury rules for Americans, either. We were the FIRST and so far, the only country in the world to use nuclear weapons in anger. Horrific idea, nowadays? News for you bucko, it was back then too, but we used it anyway. Only had two of them in the whole world and we used them both. Grandpa Jones worked on the Manhattan Project. Told me once, that right up until they threw the switch, the physicists were still arguing over whether the Uranium alone would fission, or whether it would start a fission chain reaction that would eat everything. But they threw the switch anyway, because we had a War to win. Does this tell you something about American Resolve?
"Author Unknown"

I've got to say this quote does not make me feel better :(

One thing is becoming clear from the news coverage. There will be a response (possibly a protracted response) and it will involve ground troops. If the Taliban are indeed the target, given the terrain in Afghanistan, there will be casualties on both sides. It will be interesting to see how the resolve holds up when US and other NATO troops start coming home in body bags. Having said that perhaps this is the time to start paying the price to rid the world of such terrorism.

Also, I hope that the Americans who gave financial support to the IRA, money that bought guns and explosives which killed British citizens, are re-assessing their position.
 

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It seems that alot of movies that have terrorist themes will be delayed for a while from what I've read and heard. That Collateral Damage movie with Arnorld has been postponed and all advertising for it hanked.

It also doesn't stop there. It seems that the Spider-Man movie coming out here in a while will be delayed cause there is a scene that has Spider-Man make a web between the WTC towers for some reason (I couldn't find out for what though). So I think they're going to delay it for a while or edit that scene. Plus a friend told me that the Spider-Man ride at Islands of Adventure at Universal Studios, Orlando, Florida, has been shut down because there is a scene with the WTC in it. They're not sure what to do with the ride either keep it closed and open it later or change the scene. I've been there and rode that ride it was really good, to bad its been shut down. :(
 

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Let me just say That I am somewhat offended by the changing of Rides and movies to "edit out" the WTC! We should remember these! Editing them out of already shot photography puts across the sign that we just want to ignore them.
WTF?!

They are not an embarsement they are a monument and I will not only avoid that SpiderMan movie as I had intended. (looks like a bad flick) I will also be influencing others to not see it!!!
 

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I agree with editing out clips where the world trade center is attacked, bombed, etc.

But if it is just there as decoration (like Flight Sim 2002), I see no purpose of editing it out. Just put an American flag on the roof/with memorial....
 

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Originally posted by NeoNite
Nice pic walkingman :)

Anyone checked the feedback on other forums? I know it's probably not THAT important.. but I checked PQ, and ehm.. I dunno.. one thread sayiung "whoa wtc on fire" or something like that and only 37 replies yesterday.. guess they have a different way of dealing with it?
Look at all the feedback here on Puf... :-I

Yeah, I checked out the PQ f0's, too. Nothin'. Hmmm. I figured every F0 would have a long ass thread about this...not!
C'est La Vie...
We Rock, I love you guys. Great pics! I like the elephant/donkey one!

I totally agree with usaar & D66! Leave it in there. As for flight sim, great idea! Release a patch that drapes it with a US flag! :)
 

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It also doesn't stop there. It seems that the Spider-Man movie coming out here in a while will be delayed cause there is a scene that has Spider-Man make a web between the WTC towers for some reason (I couldn't find out for what though). So I think they're going to delay it for a while or edit that scene.

The Spiderman movie is not being delayed due to any such editing. In fact, the editing is being done to movie posters and the teaser that were released with the WTC being featured prominantly, however, the scene was only created for the teaser and does not appear in the film itself.
 
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my Word this is thred is Wildfire! in my 2+ yrs here ive never seen a thred grow so much so quickly.
wow.
i wounder if it'll hit the 1000 mark.
 
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Originally posted by The Dopefish
NYC mayor Rudy Giuliani reports over 4,300 people are being reported as missing.

that number has jumped to over 5,000 now. :( so it was reported yesterday anyway, so now it could even be many more. fking damn but this is a mega crapper. (to put it upmost mildly).

what braught ME to tears was hearing that not jsut this nation was having its day of morning but a lot of the entire GOLDE was as well. sharing it with us. the magnitute of that just hit me right ware it hurts most.
and gentlemen, it takes a LOT to bring me to tears. that's the first time in a couple of years ive actualy done so. granted, sometimes ive Wanted to in the last few years but i couldnt, this time i did. its not a sigh of maschulinity to me but a defensive reflex ive built up over the decades for reasons i wont get into.
 
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Originally posted by Clayeth054
The explosion from those full fuel tanks surely did a lot of damage to the buildings. That along with the fire, meant that their destruction was eminent, although I was surprised how soon they fell. I don't think it's fair to say they shouldn't have fallen, the fires, built up by burning jet fuel did a lot of damage in that short time.

yes. i thought that jet fuel was MORE volitile then, say galoline. but in reality its the oppisite. its basicly like karosine, burns slower but MUCH hotter. so the massive ammount of bruning fuel (you'll notice that the terrorists intentionally chose flights that were cross contentional so that they had the max ammount of fuel just so this would happen) went down into the building and the fire was SO intense that it mented the steel girders and down came the top in a cascading chain reaction. fk that's naferious and downright EVIL. :(

oh, and Walkingman: i sent NBC news a link to that in the hopes they will either publisise it so that more will be abgle to share and or add some to what there is. one can hope uh?
 

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Commercial Jets does use Kerosine as fuel, so it shouldn't wonder you.
I've also heard that they were more EVIL than that:
If they had flew the planes with more speed the planes could have crash on the building then come out from the other side BUT
they flew the planes at a specific speed so that the planes remain inside the buildings, so the fuel would do the rest!
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Originally posted by Mohamz
Commercial Jets does use Kerosine as fuel, so it shouldn't wonder you.
I've also heard that they were more EVIL than that:
If they had flew the planes with more speed the planes could have crash on the building then come out from the other side BUT
they flew the planes at a specific speed so that the planes remain inside the buildings, so the fuel would do the rest!
:(

Where the hell are you getting this information from?
You telling me the terrorists took into account the melting point of the steel supports, the tensile strength of the concrete, the mean tempreture of the burning fuel and the force delivered by the plane itself?!?!

Sorry, but I believe you're talking out of your arse again.
 

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Originally posted by PsychoMoggieBagpuss|PuF

Sorry, but I believe you're talking out of your arse again.

What do you mean with again?!
I just said they used a specific SPEED!
I never spoke about the idiotic statements you're talking about!
Can't you read ? :rolleyes:
 
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ummmm..... do you want me to give you a very long lecture in physics and engineering principles?
You say specific speed... how the bloody bollox are they supposed to determine what that specific speed is without using the stuff I stated above, plus a load of other laws/variables.
I'm an engineering graduate.
I know this.
You obviously don't.
So again, I ask you, where are you getting this (mis)information from?
 

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Ok sorry!
Thank you for pointing this to me.
But please leave this with the 'again' insinuations. Thank you.
When did I say something that could point this ?

Sorry again.
 
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http://forums.planetunreal.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83328 <- majority of this thread, let me post an example
Originally made up by Mohmaz
What are your planes doing there, so that they have the right to "defend themselves" ?

You are killing innocent people by letting them starve and not getting medics. Although you know that all you have done hasn't weakened Sadam's regime(indeed, it has done the opposite), you are still killing those iraqi children!

And then you ask "what have we done to deserve this ?", do you think that an iraqi child will love america for torturing his people ?

Yet again I ask, where are you getting this information from, or are you just making it up as you go along?
 
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