Weird Poll: Do you cheat in INF online?
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Very interesting thread.
About the difference between publishing cheats and security holes, security holes could theoretically be fixed by everyone. But if you dont have the knowledge you will have to invest a lot of time learning (though you *can* fix or at least work around them if required).
Cheating on the other hand can only be prevented by server admins, as a non-admin you can't do anything about it.
So a public list of avaible cheats has no use to anyone but cheaters and server admins and since both groups are rather small compared to the whole playerbase why would a public list of cheats do anyone else good?
Beside even the knowledge that certain cheats exists might kill fun during play because even if you don't look for them consciously you might sometimes wonder why someone killed you 4 times in a row. IMO this distrust based on the knowledge of avaible cheats can be almost as bad as the cheaters themselves because it has the potential of destroying a community (especially one as small as ours).
I also think that you shouldn't publish the names of any known cheaters. Sure it would give them another reason not to cheat (if they are dumb) but generally faking names and false accusations do far outweigh this small benefit.
IMO accusing someone of cheating by mistake is even worth than cheating. So anyone who makes any accusations better double and tripple check the evidence he has against the presumed cheater.
Fox example you need the evidence itself,
a demorec of the cheater or his *serious* confession
then you still need its validation, either by
a static ip or a time matching dynamic ip compared against ICQ or any other way to proof the identity of the cheater.
And even if you got all of this evidence, think again if there isn't the slightest chance that you may be wrong.
Basically you can't stop cheating. The only thing you can do is make sure that everyone who is smart enough to cheat is also smart enough to see all the bad implications that are brought upon a community by such behavior.
About the difference between publishing cheats and security holes, security holes could theoretically be fixed by everyone. But if you dont have the knowledge you will have to invest a lot of time learning (though you *can* fix or at least work around them if required).
Cheating on the other hand can only be prevented by server admins, as a non-admin you can't do anything about it.
So a public list of avaible cheats has no use to anyone but cheaters and server admins and since both groups are rather small compared to the whole playerbase why would a public list of cheats do anyone else good?
Beside even the knowledge that certain cheats exists might kill fun during play because even if you don't look for them consciously you might sometimes wonder why someone killed you 4 times in a row. IMO this distrust based on the knowledge of avaible cheats can be almost as bad as the cheaters themselves because it has the potential of destroying a community (especially one as small as ours).
I also think that you shouldn't publish the names of any known cheaters. Sure it would give them another reason not to cheat (if they are dumb) but generally faking names and false accusations do far outweigh this small benefit.
IMO accusing someone of cheating by mistake is even worth than cheating. So anyone who makes any accusations better double and tripple check the evidence he has against the presumed cheater.
Fox example you need the evidence itself,
a demorec of the cheater or his *serious* confession
then you still need its validation, either by
a static ip or a time matching dynamic ip compared against ICQ or any other way to proof the identity of the cheater.
And even if you got all of this evidence, think again if there isn't the slightest chance that you may be wrong.
Basically you can't stop cheating. The only thing you can do is make sure that everyone who is smart enough to cheat is also smart enough to see all the bad implications that are brought upon a community by such behavior.
Thanks for refreshing my memory, crac. It's been a loooong time since I've seen one of those.
--Harrm
PS- Also, I think WAY more people should have selected "Yes- all the way" as an answer, because this poll is just too damn hard to take seriously.
--Harrm
PS- Also, I think WAY more people should have selected "Yes- all the way" as an answer, because this poll is just too damn hard to take seriously.
It turns out I'm a cheater and hacker after all. I kept getting kicked off the servers for using a version of D3D that the cheat protection doesn't recognize. So I switch to OGL. And I'm still being called a cheater and a hacker by the cheat protection. So I'm uninstalling the whole damn thing.
I've been called many things, including a cheater, but this is the first time I'm getting the boot by a program that says I'm a hacker. My last install got messed up. Some files got corrupted and I patched it up as best as I could to avoid haveing to reinstall the whole thing. That included downloading a new D3D driver off the internet. Obviously, that was a mistake.
I've had talks with both Odie and Neabit about this and I was told that switching to OGL might fix it. It didn't. Don't think that I blame either one of them. Protecting the servers is neccesary and it's great that someone takes the initiative to protect the players from hackers. It's on my end that things are fucked up. It's my install that's messed up in a bad way. I just hate being called a cheater and hacker when I'm neither of those.
I've been called many things, including a cheater, but this is the first time I'm getting the boot by a program that says I'm a hacker. My last install got messed up. Some files got corrupted and I patched it up as best as I could to avoid haveing to reinstall the whole thing. That included downloading a new D3D driver off the internet. Obviously, that was a mistake.
I've had talks with both Odie and Neabit about this and I was told that switching to OGL might fix it. It didn't. Don't think that I blame either one of them. Protecting the servers is neccesary and it's great that someone takes the initiative to protect the players from hackers. It's on my end that things are fucked up. It's my install that's messed up in a bad way. I just hate being called a cheater and hacker when I'm neither of those.
It is possiable the server that you got kicked on does not have the current OpenGL listed in the UTDC ini file. IMO it should have it by now and if that is the issue the admin is lazy by not keeping up with the new(er) versions.
UTDC MD5 checking is only as good as the admin that collects the file ID's [and keeps up with them]. If I may say, Neabit has done a fine job in collecting most, if not all, the UT/INF MD5 ID's.
UTDC MD5 checking is only as good as the admin that collects the file ID's [and keeps up with them]. If I may say, Neabit has done a fine job in collecting most, if not all, the UT/INF MD5 ID's.
*pacing across the street from zeep with megaphone* "cross-server ban" 
Please don't delete this one
Please don't delete this one
The problem is, there's at least 3 reccommended D3D drivers for use with UT 436. There's the 432 renderer which is used to get around problems with TNT-class cards, theres the stock 436 renderer, and there's a newer beta driver as well. However you now can't download these drivers since unreal.epicgames/com doesn't have the files any more. I'm trying to find mine, which are stuck on a CD which could be anywhere.
Are the server admins aware of all of these renderers?
Are the server admins aware of all of these renderers?
First the thread in off-topic, then actually watching him get kicked for hacked packages ... I knew something was up with him the moment I set eyes on him ...
Edit: Der, I heard those VERY words tonight.
Edit: Der, I heard those VERY words tonight.
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It's happened to me too. Shan acknowledges that this is a bug with UTDC.Taque said:First the thread in off-topic, then actually watching him get kicked for hacked packages ... I knew something was up with him the moment I set eyes on him ...
Hahahahahaha
On-subject:
Are there other bugs with UTDC that are documented? I know there's been some testing with it recently to reasses if putting it on the server is creating network trouble or something? Really sketchy on the specifics here, sorry.
--Harrm
Vega-don said:
Lol why thank you don i dont cheat never have never will
but must play well 4 this honour
and as most know if i think some 1 is cheating ill let u know then and there on there server + ban the ****ers
I'm just gonna reinstall when I get around to it. Work, girl and other commitments take time these days.