The AKMS is the perfect weapon.

[Psychomorph]

ohhhkaay...
Never saw so huge posts byside my own ones. Keep da typing guys.

 

[- Lich -]

As for the 40mm, I think you're seeing jumpshots and stuff like that mainly because you're on euro servers (me as well) ... though I could've sworn dukenades implemented conefire on 40mm while moving. Anyway, jumpshots were possible before, but I have not seen them in a while.

Yes, there is conefire while moving with 40mm launchers.

 

[Derelan]

The bullet penetration is the same as the one weapon ingame using the same round: AKMSU.

Doesn't the AKMSU have a significantly shorter barrel length? Doesn't this mean the AKM should have a much higher power/penetration than the AKMSU?

 

[geogob]

Not necessarily. While studying terminal ballistics for my ongoing projects, I came to learn that it's all much more complex than it seems. I use to think about it with simple equations (e.g. barrel lenght -> muzzle energy -> terminal velocity/energy -> penetration), but I have come to understand that it is much more complex.

In many case, higher energy doesn't mean better penetration (or wounding when speaking of flesh targets). So yes, a longer barrel could mean higher penetration but it could also mean the total opposite depending on many factors, including the target in question.

 

[ravens_hawk]

It usually does for 5.56mm NATO though, at least for wounding. Longer barrel = higher velocity = More fragments at longer ranges. Not sure what that would mean for other materials though....

 

[ecale3]

^ Of course that is irrelevant in a discussion about the AKM .

 

[Rostam]

Basicly when you have 2 identical rifles of which one has a longer barrel length the one with the longer barrel length should have a higher velocity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the AKMSU isn't basicly the AKM with a shorter barrel length. It's also newer (and let's not forget made by Arsenal in our case) so it might have a new gas system or whatever.

Meh, I'm going too far in now. I don't know too much of firearms on the inside (in fact I only tried to figure a few things out when I found out about the muzzle velocity of teh L85 oposed to the one of the m16: I had to know what caused the L85 to be so relatively good, comparing barrel lenghts that is).

Really though I just decided not to use the AKM when playing seriously, so it's not on my black list like the M4a1, Robar RC50 or FN P90, but I do feel kinda cheap when using it.

 

[ecale3]

...

 

[Derelan]

On playing Hillfight, I had much more success and higher accuracy using the FAMAS than i did with the AKM.

 

[Psychomorph]

Just wait untill the SIG550 come out.

 

[Harrm]

In many case, higher energy doesn't mean better penetration (or wounding when speaking of flesh targets). So yes, a longer barrel could mean higher penetration but it could also mean the total opposite depending on many factors, including the target in question.

The longer a round spends in the barrel, the greater amount of friction there is on the bullet as it moves through the rifling of the barrel. While this provides for a more accurate shot, the actual power of the round is determined by the effeciency of the explosion behind the bullet itself, the grooving of the barrel, what the bullet is made of, and a whole slew of other factors in the bullets firing cycle; therefore the round itself would be a better determinate in how much power the bullet has rather than the barrel.

In simple terms:
Geo is right. Longer barrel generally means better accuracy, not necessarily more power.

Basicly when you have 2 identical rifles of which one has a longer barrel length the one with the longer barrel length should have a higher velocity. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the AKMSU isn't basicly the AKM with a shorter barrel length. It's also newer (and let's not forget made by Arsenal in our case) so it might have a new gas system or whatever.

Again, not necessarily. Lets say you fire a .22 with a 14' barrel and a .45' with a 10' barrel. The .22 will be weaker almost all the time. Also, just because a gun is new doesnt mean it's better. The AK design has remaind relatively unchanged since the original Ak1947.

--Harrm

 

[geogob]

The longer a round spends in the barrel,

blabla ...

In simple terms:
Geo is right. Longer barrel generally means better accuracy, not necessarily more power.

I'm not going either to agree or disagree with you here. But I just wanted to point out that I was only refering to terminal ballistics and what I was saying had nothing to do with internal ballistics. Also I did make any comment on "power" vs barrel lenght... Anyway, physically speaking there is absolutely no relation in the Power dissipated in rifle (in Joules per second) and the barrel lenght. If you are refering to "stopping power", then you and I are not speaking the same language

So you should have said: "Geo is right. And I think that longer berrel generally..."

 

[UN17]

I've played a bit more recently and got shot by some AKs. I don't think there's anything out of the ordinary about it. It's popular with the spammers, but I saw people using other weapons! I've been shot with several M4s, several AKMS (not a single soul was using the AKMSU), one P90, two PSGs and a couple of Minimis and one FAMAS (by a dude named FAMAS . Nobody seemed to be using the good old M16/M203 combo or the non-Armor penetrating submachine guns like the Mp5 series. There was one guy using a pistol but he soon switched to a "real" gun after getting shot a few times. Seems like it's business as usual.

I think the new diversity in spam guns is actually quite nice. Gives those players who want assault rifles something different to play with. Maybe this AK fever Keggy posted about is finally receeding!

 

[yurch]

Again, not necessarily. Lets say you fire a .22 with a 14' barrel and a .45' with a 10' barrel. The .22 will be weaker almost all the time.

Considering he did say rifles of the same type a cross-caliber comparison is a bit poor, no?

It is somewhat reasonable, given the context of the discussion, to assume the full-length AK has a slightly higher muzzle velocity. There, I said it.

Obviously, as far as terminal ballistics go, it's still a grab bag.

 

[Burger]

I heard that the AKM and the AKMSU (or AKS-74U, for some) don't share the same calibre...

AKM
Caliber 7.62x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Overall length: 870 mm
Barrel length: 415 mm
Weight, with empty magazine: AK 4,3 kg; AKM 3,14 kg
Magazine capacity 30 rounds (40 rounds box magazines and 75 rounds drums from RPK also may be used)
Cyclic rate of fire 600 rounds per minute
Maximum effective range: about 400 meters

AKMSU (AKS-74U)
Caliber: 5,45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Overall length: 735 mm (490 mm with folded buttstock)
Barrel length: 210 mm
Magazine capacity, 30 rounds standard
Weight empty: 2,71 kg
Effective range: about 200 meters
Rate of fire: 650-735 rounds per minute

 

[- Lich -]

I heard that the AKM and the AKMSU (or AKS-74U, for some) don't share the same calibre...

...more...

AKMSU != AKS-74U

Edit: When you look up the datas in th loadout menue, you can see that the akmsu in infiltration uses 7.62*39, so my above statement should be correct.

 

[Rostam]

Harrm, yurch said it as well but again I did mention identical weapons so comparing different weapons is kinda silly.

Also there will always be friction, inside the barrel or out. The only difference is the longer the barrel is the longer the gasses are able to accelerate the projectile. This is the case with everything similar to a canon, like firearms. Of course because of more and more technology and better understanding of certain things bigger size does no longer mean more power. But like I mentioned before, 2 the same things with the only difference being size really will mean the bigger one is more powerful.

Also, just because a gun is new doesnt mean it's better. The AK design has remaind relatively unchanged since the original Ak1947.

If I am not mistaken within a few years of the AK47 the AKM was introduced which was lighter but didn't change in many other aspects. Now this was a couple of years, put in a few newer models and you will probably see the same trend: some minor improvements without any real flaws.

Just to be sure I am not misunderstood, I am not saying anything really. Just that it isn't as difficult as you make it out to be.

 

[Psychomorph]

Dudes, AKMSU is a shortened version of AKM, which is in 7,62x39mm.
A K M=modernized S=foldable stock U=shortened.

AKS-74U is a shortened version of AK-74M, which is in 5,45x39mm.
A K S=foldable stock - 74 U=shortened.

 

[Harrm]

If you are refering to "stopping power", then you and I are not speaking the same language

That's what I was referring to, yes.

So you should have said: "Geo is right. And I think that longer berrel generally..."

I put my thesis wherever I damn will please.

Considering he did say rifles of the same type a cross-caliber comparison is a bit poor, no?

It is somewhat reasonable, given the context of the discussion, to assume the full-length AK has a slightly higher muzzle velocity. There, I said it.

Obviously, as far as terminal ballistics go, it's still a grab bag.

I missed that, my bad. Posting while smoking isn't exactly known for giving you attention to detail.

--Harrm

 

[Psychomorph]

Still better than posting while urinating.