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M16A4 public beta release

Discussion in 'Infiltration Development' started by MP_Duke, Apr 19, 2004.

  1. gal-z

    gal-z New Member

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    The flattop reciever has exactly 13 "holes" in it, exactly like the M4A1. No reason for it to be different, as the only difference between these 2 weapons is barrel and handguards length. Same goes for mag tapping sound.
    http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_3.asp
    http://www.colt.com/mil/M4_3.asp
    Also I see the swiss cheese hadnguards still have the rails on top of them, which do not exist IRL.
     
  2. MP_Duke

    MP_Duke Banned

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    Your point about the number of holes has been noted and overuled.
    i will change the mag tapping sound along with some weapon length adjustments for your anal satisfaction.
    The swisscheese was made by me, and i am the undisputed king of Unreal. GET THE MESSAGE?!
     
  3. mat69

    mat69 just fooling around

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  4. gal-z

    gal-z New Member

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    Bah, was just trying to help to make the weapon as real as possible...
     
  5. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    In all seriousness, Duke, that was completely uncalled for.
     
  6. Crowze

    Crowze Bird Brain

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    Yeah, pay no attention to Duke :p. We're always looking for experienced people to help keep to the as-real-as-it-gets theme.
     
  7. UN17

    UN17 Taijutsu Specialist

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    If you could fuse an INF developer with a hardcore realism fanatic, I think you would get one awesome mod. Every weapon would be detailed to the core and sound, look, feel, smell and taste like the real thing. Well as real as your PC setup can deliver.

    Personally, I wish more people could 'do' UT editing stuff so we get more and better add-on content.
     
  8. mat69

    mat69 just fooling around

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    The problem with the INF community imho is that they don't see what they have, they only see what they want to have.
    Instead of being happy that you have an awesome M16A4 someone is coming and calling your weapon model you and others worked on false, it has to less holes... And now don't come with this kind of realistic bull****. Look at the M16A2, look at the MP5/40, look at the DE, look at those ACOGs and then you can forget the word realistic for UT-INF. Realistic things aren't bad but for me there is a border. Is it really worth the work allways? Shouldn't you focus on different things than trying to make a weapon realistic with this engine where you can only use a "few" polygons bad textures (the work is great but I hope you know what I mean) ...
    I don't acuse gal-z or whoever to make this weapon bad, but nowadays there are so many let them call posts with negative spirit that at least I understand it if you get frustrated/angry responses.

    One year ago none (how do you write none? is it noone, none, no-one, no one ...?) would dream of new weapons. I thought the armory is a farce and now we get new weapons in the bonus back and we even got new weapons by fans. So where's the problem?


    PS.: If you've something to criticize ask if the creator wants to change the model and everything, because for a few holes ...?
     
  9. MP_Duke

    MP_Duke Banned

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    Yeah, and before you start babbling, keep in mind that developers like Beppo have heard it all before. You'd be surprised at the level of detail that he pays attention to, plus some that we find along the way.

    i'm sorry, but counting the number of holes (even though i did put the correct number on the swisscheese)... you must've been bored or something. Why don't you play the game instead, that's a better way to promote it.
     
  10. MP_Duke

    MP_Duke Banned

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    And if you're still taking that literally and not really knowing that it's really "as real as it -can- get (with this arthritic renderer)", then you are green.
     
  11. sublime

    sublime Cynic

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    Great post mat69.
     
  12. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    For the love of god, Duke, figure it out: just because someone offers criticism and says you can do something better does not mean you need to take it like a child, nor does it mean that you've done a bad job so far— nor does it mean the person offering the criticism thinks so. You want to say it's too much work to fix a relatively insignificant error? Go ahead. Just don't rip his head off and throw a tantrum.
     
  13. gal-z

    gal-z New Member

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    Yeah
    Also it doesn't matter that much to me, but I just thought that a model maker would like to make his model perfect...
     
  14. Dr.J

    Dr.J advent child.

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    hey man, the texture wasnt made by duke. if you knew who the hell was making the stuff etc, youd first of all know who to complain to.

    and about demanding what you wanna see get fixed etc, does it really matter if it gets fixed or not? i dont think that many people are gonna come here, download the M16A4 then go - "oooooh look there are way too many rails on that flattop reciever" :con: .

    and dukes got a lot of work to do ok? hes up to his neck with the amount of coding our weapons mod team has put on him. remember that other thread a while back where all these funky model renders got posted?? well i can tell you that there are upwards of 10 models that got displayed and guess what? dukes gotta code them all. then when his stuff finally gets released, seeing from all the other weapon muts that have released, people here give about 2-3 posts that show some appreciation as to how much time and effort. then the rest are people bitching about "nooo i want this this that that" want proof? take a look at the rest of this thread. coming here reading this thread was frustrating after something like the 3rd day the M16 came out. im sorry but please, since duke is the only real weapons coder we have here, spare a little time to think about what hes doing - using up HIS time to get something to YOU. there used to be the argument back in the days of 2.86 where id say to people who threw tantrums to try speed up the SS team releasing 2.87 'the SS team owe you nothing, so stop demanding 2.87 (now 2.9)'. that applies even more here. dukes not even part of the team. hes meant to one of us - the community! yes, hes not some far away developer who works for valve shut in his room, hes a guy who you can talk to here on the forums and he listens to what you say and replies. just spend about half a second to think about what hes doing and try to ask, not put up statements that sound like demands.

    now, with the bonus pack coming out, i think that its pretty clear duke did the coding for those weapons. if youre crying like this now over the M16, i really dont wanna think about the five 'i wanna cry about XXX weapon' threads that are gonna emerge as the pack gets released.

    i dont wanna sound like a tosser, but how about you guys start to do some ****ing appreciating instead of bitching for a change?!

    EDIT: hey my 287th post has some meaning to it ;) !
     
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  15. Derelan

    Derelan Tracer Bullet

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    I reinstate my previous opinion.
     

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  16. gal-z

    gal-z New Member

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    All I wanted to do was point out something that was wrong. I never demanded anything, and I think I got my point through. If you hadn't understood yet, please re-read.
     
  17. ecale3

    ecale3 Sniper - May be harmful to your health.

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    I understand that, but you need to understand this. We are doing our best, and when you guys swamp us with little things (for god's sake, who the hell would even notice that there is an improper amount of holes on top of the handgrip?) it takes away time from us doing the big things, like finishing our other weapons. If its a bug, post it. If its some huge error in the presentation of the weapon, tell us (yeah the rail ontop of the swisscheese is silly, hell the A4 doesn't even really need the swisscheese), but please don't hound us for little shit like how many holes are on the handguard.

    Remember, we are just community members, we still like to play the game occasionally, we have other things to do, and as much as we want to keep you guys in the loop if you are going to place undue stress on us we will just ignore you (and believe me, i don't want that. I've been trying to keep you all informed since Day 1 of this project and the others on the team have done the same, so pleae don't make us go that route.).

    Now lets keep it civil (on both sides, some of the team members are getting a little feisty ;)) and the requests reasonable. Thank you.
     
  18. Cleeus[JgKdo]

    Cleeus[JgKdo] because respawns suck

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    well, i don't see a need to be so angry

    I can smile about the comment - it tells something about our community ;)
     
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  19. MP_Duke

    MP_Duke Banned

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    Yeah, you just gotta throw some people in those little tin cans they keep in the corner of classrooms and they'll be so flabbergasted after that they won't know what to say afterwards :p
     
  20. Dr.J

    Dr.J advent child.

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    well i second ecales post. i really just wanna see us getting the weapons out and then play with them later....
     

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