I wish Epic thinks about this when making the new UT

[Nosnos]

Am I the only one who notices a contradiction here?

By oldschool I dont just mean UT99 players but players who prefer the old gametypes like DM/CTF.

And about the movement forcing the maps to be overscaled... That might be true in some cases but good UT2004 doesnt have to be overscaled in order to be good... look at the good 1on1-maps for example (Ironic, Roughinery, Rankin) They arent overscaled but they are still awesome for UT2004's movement. A lot of maps are overscaled though but that is because (I think) it's easier to make a map "playable" by making it overscaled, that way you are able to do all the fancy moves and people wont complain about the map being to cramped and about getting stuck everywhere... Making a tight map that still works in terms of movement will probably take a lot longer but it is possible...

But what if they "nerfed" the movement instead of removing it? Perhaps making it so that the jump on a dodgejump doesnt increase your distance by quite as much or that the second jump on a doublejump only takes you slightly higher than a normal jump... I personally like to have a lot of options and if they remove the dodgejump completly you wont be able to do the fancy slides on steep hills, walls and planks that we all know and love ^^

 

[Ictus]

Remember, that some of us working on Envy actually are Oldskool UT players, and we definitely understand the need for maps to have gameplay rather than gimmicks.

And we do care about making a good game that will please the community. I spend many hours each week talking to people from the community and playing community levels on different servers, to see how people play the game and to know what people like, in both UT99 and UT2004. Coming from the community myself I know exactly how important it is.

And everybody at Epic agrees that UT200x maps are overscaled, and we are doing to do our best to address this. As a level designer it is one of my main goals to reestablish the proper scale.

 

[Nosnos]

Remember, that some of us working on Envy actually are Oldskool UT players, and we definitely understand the need for maps to have gameplay rather than gimmicks.

And we do care about making a good game that will please the community. I spend many hours each week talking to people from the community and playing community levels on different servers, to see how people play the game and to know what people like, in both UT99 and UT2004. Coming from the community myself I know exactly how important it is.

And everybody at Epic agrees that UT200x maps are overscaled, and we are doing to do our best to address this. As a level designer it is one of my main goals to reestablish the proper scale.

Well then you just keep doing what you are doing and we should be getting a great game ^^

 

[Sijik]

hello sijik-things im gonna point out now about what ive said to people and how i say things, first i am intelligent, my sense humor is obviously way too high-brow for the likes of you, i am courteous, i say hello and thank you etc..this particular topic is about peoples thoughts about what epic should think about on their next ut game,so anyones input on this topic doesnt have to be useful (they are you thoughts, they dont have to be useful to you personally). i find alot of crap on nearly every topic but i dont say anything, i just ignore it or laugh.im only respectful to people that are inturn respectful to me.and if you notice i even say thankyou to people have said nasty things about me,because they helped even tho it was not good "input".i take it,its ok for you and a few other people to judge me and others by "juvinile phrasing" when infact me and the others were not the first to say things stupid and pointless and if they were not pointless, they were said in an unconstructive way. Good gramma,spelling ,"structure" etc.. did you or anyone else ever stop and think to ask if i was dyslexic or dysbraxic---no you did not. i guess thats the kind of person you are. and by the way i spotted a spelling mistake in your post. are you dyslexic? it took me ages to chek this and i know theres loads of mistakes but i cant help it. can u? thanks for your "input", hope you appreciate mine.

I was referring more to your second post than your first, and to be honest, it wasn't SO much trying to be mean as it was just trying to point out that it's courteous to spell correctly, and the humor in spelling poorly went out a long time ago (the only remnant of it we have is OK<--oll korrekt, from, what like the 20's? Let it die and if you want us to believe you're intelligent, don't tell us, show us.

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

If you want it to be so much like UT2004 JUST STICK TO PLAYING UT2004!

Envy is a new game, it's moving away from the stupid sport angle and into the new territory of WAR.

 

[UnrealGrrl]

well hopefully its not a War game... wargames are boring and not what UT is about... go play battefield or something unfun like that if you want to play wargames.

just because its bigger doesnt mean its gonna be a wargame and i really hope that aint the direction we are heading... in your face tournament is what made UT popular and why diehards are still hanging around waiting for The Tournament to be refreshed and remade...

if Epic can pull of what they are talking: making the game play and feel more like original UT while at the same time updating and upgrading it in places then i think UT diehards, casual and competitive players will all be happier

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

I think you misinterprated me when I said war.

 

[Symbolikal]

hello sijik-things im gonna point out now about what ive said to people and how i say things, first i am intelligent, my sense humor is obviously way too high-brow for the likes of you, i am courteous, i say hello and thank you etc..this particular topic is about peoples thoughts about what epic should think about on their next ut game,so anyones input on this topic doesnt have to be useful (they are you thoughts, they dont have to be useful to you personally). i find alot of crap on nearly every topic but i dont say anything, i just ignore it or laugh.im only respectful to people that are inturn respectful to me.and if you notice i even say thankyou to people have said nasty things about me,because they helped even tho it was not good "input".i take it,its ok for you and a few other people to judge me and others by "juvinile phrasing" when infact me and the others were not the first to say things stupid and pointless and if they were not pointless, they were said in an unconstructive way. Good gramma,spelling ,"structure" etc.. did you or anyone else ever stop and think to ask if i was dyslexic or dysbraxic---no you did not. i guess thats the kind of person you are. and by the way i spotted a spelling mistake in your post. are you dyslexic? it took me ages to chek this and i know theres loads of mistakes but i cant help it. can u? thanks for your "input", hope you appreciate mine.

It's spelt dyspraxic, and I am thank you very much. It doesn't affect my spelling, it affects my handwriting. Your disregard for the English language can offend, and it just did. I don't think you are dyspraxic, if you were, you would spell it correctly.
If you were either, you also wouldn't have a problem with structure.
That's just offensive to generalise over one mistake. Especially Kantham (Hi because he doesn't use English as a first language.
Rant over.

 

[INIQUITOUS]

being dyslexic or dyspraxic can affect many different things in you gramma,spelling etc...for example if your dyslexic it can make you put the letter 'e' where the letter 't' should go and vice versa with every letter in the alphabet, that is just one example of what being dyslexic can do, its different for every1 who is, so dont presume that just because your version of it makes you do somthing so every1 else with it must have the same problem. also a friend of mine is both and he cant even spell his own name almost, but hes one of the cleverest people i know. so dont YOU generalise, thank you, and btw ive never said anything bad to kantham. if hes taken anything the wrong way then i apologize.

 

[Kantham]

His english is terrible , and some of his comment are offencing over the jailbreak forums. Yes my native language is not english , it's french .I've learned english myself here and on other forums.You canot immagine how i learned it fast. Sometimes , ppl have some serious difficulties to read it. At least i don't use translator

''Otherwise his would resemble has his''

INQUITOUS , i don't hate you . I just think you start too many threads for simple stuff about the editor , and SOMME of your post are Non-''Understable'<--- A word?

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[Sir_Brizz]

BUT EVEN THEY CAN FIND THE ENTER KEY.

 

[Nosnos]

If you want it to be so much like UT2004 JUST STICK TO PLAYING UT2004!

Envy is a new game, it's moving away from the stupid sport angle and into the new territory of WAR.

What sport angle? there is nothing about UT2004 that has anything to do with sports imo... Sure it's a tournament but it was a tournament in UT as well... And it's kind of fun to get the "If you want it to be so much like UT2004 JUST STICK TO PLAYING UT2004!" argument as you instantly get a flashback from the time before UT2003 was released but back then it was "If you want it to be so much like UT JUST STICK TO PLAYING UT!"... But guess way to many people stuck with playing UT ^^

I don't want the game to be exactly like UT2004, I want the game to improve but at the same time I don't want the game to lose the things that makes it UT (weapons, movement, etc). If they change those basics things they should not call it UT anymore imo...

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

You must be blind deaf and dumb to miss the sports angle of ut 2003/4.

 

[Nosnos]

Not really, what is it that makes is so sporty? the announcers? the intro? the singleplayer campaign? All I care about is the gameplay really and I don't see much of a sports angle when it comes to the gameplay tbh...

 

[INIQUITOUS]

His english is terrible , and some of his comment are offencing over the jailbreak forums. Yes my native language is not english , it's french .I've learned english myself here and on other forums.You canot immagine how i learned it fast. Sometimes , ppl have some serious difficulties to read it. At least i don't use translator

''Otherwise his would resemble has his''

INQUITOUS , i don't hate you . I just think you start too many threads for simple stuff about the editor , and SOMME of your post are Non-''Understable'<--- A word?

'

thanks, wel ive had help with every post ive made except one, the loading screen one, is that one not understandable? yeah i might of started loads of threads but at the end of the day if it helped me and it helps others then its cool right.

 

[Sijik]

Not really, what is it that makes is so sporty? the announcers? the intro? the singleplayer campaign? All I care about is the gameplay really and I don't see much of a sports angle when it comes to the gameplay tbh...

I get the sporty feeling from the visual stlization of the game, as well as the exaggerated movement abilities. It's a combination of the announcers, the outfits (especially Divisor) the design of the weapons, thr bright colors, stuff like that, and the 2k3 intro certainly helped. Also, the design of the full logo almost screams of EA. Besides, it's put forth as an intergalactic bloodsport anyway, so in being a sport itself it can't help but be sporty. I guess the biggest element is how everything is designed for looks and showmanship, from the taunts to even the animations (which were changed from 2k3's more tactical style to 2k4's looser, more glasditorial style.) Compared to the pace and look of, say, Halo DM it strikes me as quite sporty through and through.

 

[UnrealGrrl]

I think you misinterprated me when I said war.

probably did - ive been known to misinterpret before!

 

[W0RF]

Not really, what is it that makes is so sporty? the announcers? the intro? the singleplayer campaign? All I care about is the gameplay really and I don't see much of a sports angle when it comes to the gameplay tbh...

Schmalz explained that the sequel's name (which was changed from the original, tentative title "Unreal Tournament 2") is intended to sound more like a sports game; after all, hard-core fans of Unreal Tournament practically consider playing the game competitively to be a sport. In addition, the name is intended to reflect Digital Extremes' commitment to continuing to support the game after release.

Interview with Mark Rein

“[The sports feel] is why we put the ‘2003’ in the name,” Rein explains, referring to the common practice of placing the year in the names of most sports games, which see new versions annually (such as NASCAR Racing Season 2003). “I don’t know if we’ll do a new game every year, but we love the idea of the game evolving every year, with new stadiums and new weapons.”

nvidia describes UT2003

Unreal Tournament 2003 is a lightning-fast, no-holds-barred sport of the future, where warriors face off like the Gladiators of ancient Rome to determine the ultimate combatant. Super human reflexes, awesome weapons and the skill to use them effectively are what separate the good from the bad, the living from the dead, the victor from vanquished.

Cliff speaks on sport theme in UT2004

“Don’t read too much into the sports angle,” says Cliff Bleszinski, lead designer at Epic Games. “The sports theme works both for Unreal Tournament and against it,” he notes. “Yes, this is a bloodsport, and there is a tournament, but it’s not the WWE. We must pick and choose what we take from the sports side very carefully.”

UT2003 was specifically promoted as being more "sporty", and UT2004 backed away from it a bit but kept a lot of the same feel. Envy seems to be moving completely away from it.

 

[carmatic]

Things to help people get into the game
- Tutorials!!! UT2003/UT2004 was very complex games in terms of weapons and movement, especially considering that most people had been playing CS and the likes for a long time

didnt they make those 'trial' AS maps for this reason or something? like you walljump, or doublejump gaps, etc etc to get to your objectives....

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

probably did - ive been known to misinterpret before!

It's probably the menopause.