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Duke and the Donkey of Troy...

Discussion in 'General Infiltration Discussion' started by Neabit, Jul 15, 2005.

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  1. Solanum

    Solanum New Member

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    we are waiting for an statement from duke and/or taque
    i think we have to wait forever :D

    the best feeling was yesterday..
    duke was online and one of the other team and two of duke's team tried to kill him..
    without any reaction but 'friendly fire'

    explain it :lol:
     
  2. Abraxas

    Abraxas New Member

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    Well.I have to admit that this news really shocked me even if many ppl often felt like certain ppl were cheating. So did n1, WeeD and many other ppl. I d like to thank n1 for their patience and good work. Finally those *******s got mind****ed,too! It alwas felt strange to play vs them but now any respect towards their play and especially their person is gone! **** them!

    P.S. Im scared of them not being the only ones...
     
  3. WeeD.Tybalt

    WeeD.Tybalt New Member

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    Congrats to n1

    Congratulations to N1 for their excellent work! Unfortunately there are always some idiots, who don't know the words fairnes and honor...

    Thank god, that this kind of cheating has been detected...

    Tybalt
     
  4. AlmostAlive

    AlmostAlive Active Member

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    Now we (the server admins) know what to look for. The danger of anyone else trying to use this hack is, at least now, fairly slim. However, there's no way of knowing for sure if anyone else has used these hacks without the server logs. If there's solid evidence of others abusing the planted hacks, the admins should out them. Honestly. That being said, I have experienced wierdness with other players, players getting 20-25 kills in a match while the average was 6-10. This happening not on just one map, but through several. No proof of foul play though, so I won't mention names.

    What we have here is not just someone finding a cheat on the net and using it. We have a (more or less) trusted member of the community planting hacks in a modification under the cover of contributing to the community, which is a lot worse. Not only did he abuse the trust of the development team he was a part of, he also abused the trust of every single community member. And Taque was right there to take advantage of it, which is just as bad, in my opinion. I hope they both burn in hell.

    Now, how do we go about fixing this problem. Obviously, the weapon pack and every single bit of code Duke has ever had access to needs to be cleaned or, the worst case scenario, scrapped. If anyone has doubts as to wether anything of what Duke contributed with should or could be used out of "consideration of all his hard work", don't. Use every bit of useable code. Everything he ever did belongs to the team he was part of. Yes, I'm saying "was". I take it for granted that he will never be allowed anywhere near anything remotely resembeling code on a dev team for Infiltration ever again.

    Yes, I get somewhat annoyed when someone decides it would be fun to screw up my game. Especially when it's done like this. I'm a semi-retired server admin, but I still feel somewhat responsible for keeping the servers clean and I will do whatever I can to achieve that. Getting the private server admin forums set up, last time together with erehwoN, was part of that.

    One idea was to arrange another Infiltration Night, this time cheat free. Sounds good to me. However, this time I have to pass on arranging the thing. My worksituation and being in the middle of moving to a new house leaves me with too little time for much else, I'm afraid. If someone wants to pick up the torch, go right ahead. If I may, I'd like to suggest handing the torch over to Neabit and the N1 clan. I think they will do an outstanding job getting everything set up. Besides, now that they got everyone's attention, more people might listen and actually show up :)
     
  5. -=]N[=-mjolk

    -=]N[=-mjolk Prophet 60091

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    Having read this whole Thread a few times it leaves me with some thoughts.

    Thought number one:

    For the whole this community is great. People are dedicated enough to values not to cheat and even hold their tounges(or fingers if you will) untill sufficent proof is brought forth to clearly prove that one is cheating. That says much of the members.

    Thought number two:

    This is a good thing. It goes to show the lengths that people have to go to cheat in INF. I doubt the length of time of the cheating would have been as long if DUKE had not had access to the code. This case was an inside job. The only way to stop an inside job is to wait until the damage is done and protect against the same behaviour in the future.

    Thought number three:

    I think all of the Clan MP should be banned unless the individual members can bring proof that that did not cheat. I know the code is being cleaned up but I can't help but think that DUKE and Taque were not the only ones with access to this little MindFu*k device.

    Final Thought:

    I am sad and happy at the same time. Happy that people took the time to do lenghty research to find and root out the cheaters. I am sad at imagining the time wasted to finding the cheaters and think that the time spent could have been dedicated to bringing INF to a new engine and advancing the game into the future.

    Cudos [n1] on a job well done.
     
  6. Solanum

    Solanum New Member

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    I think this goes way too far..
    we did never expect that any of them would cheat in any way..
    "maybe they've known something.."
    that is speculating about things we don't know
    i can only speak for myself, but i have trust in each of the mdc-members, that everything was an big mistake
    they've been happy that duke and taque where such an great step forward to the final rounds
    sometimes you can get blind, 'cause of happy things happening to you
    well, i'm speaking of myself like you do
    i hope that i'm right.. at last, there was nothing strange going on with one of them
    we shouldn't make it worse with blaming anyone without beeing sure
    let's keep our small comunity together and let us look forward:)
     
  7. -=]N[=-ZeuS

    -=]N[=-ZeuS New Member

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    Agreed, the people who were proved to have cheated should be banned. Those who went to such effort to find all the proof should be patted on the back. The fact that some people DID cheat, however, will probably lead to a community-wide witch hunt.

    Now that it has been proven that after long and hard work it is indeed possible to cheat, I hope that the rest of the community does not start turning around and pointing fingers at people they too suspect and use this as grounds for their accusations. The last thing we also need is to alienate the IMT for the actions of duke (and the cooperation of Taque).

    On the note of n1 and their discovery: Yes, they brought proof where it was asked to be presented but they had the ABILITY to shed light on it all. Those who accused duke of cheating(such as harrm) only got hushed and asked to bring proof they could not due to lack of programming abilities (myself included). I know n1 did all the work but I'd like it if every server admin or forum mod take this day into account and pardon the people they may have banned or talked down to because of the lack of proof.

    I know blind accusations are wrong and should barely be noted but if it should cause you to turn a blind eye every time someone explains an odd occurence then people like duke will be able to cheat more and for longer periods of time because we are too busy ignoring one another bickering about how it can't be done and how lack of proof makes you utterly wrong.

    Just my Canadian 2 cents
     
  8. -=]N[=-mjolk

    -=]N[=-mjolk Prophet 60091

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    My reference was to MP, Duke and Taques clan, not the DTASAL league group.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    mjolk
     
  9. Pipe_Dream

    Pipe_Dream 3-time World Champion Bowler

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    LMFAO

    Ya wanna know the irony of it all? Remember when NT went on his "****ing hackers this" and "****ing hackers" that? Where is he now? Who are the only members of MP? ****ing GAY!!!!! Silly bitches, told ya :lol:
     
  10. GoldenNugget

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    hiho!

    umm... I'm a bit surprised. I thought there was something suspicious about their activity, but since I have been able to kill them every now and then I thought they weren't cheating. oh well I guess there was rampant hacking.

    I'm glad n1 went through all the work to find this out.
     
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  11. Solanum

    Solanum New Member

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    hups.. my falt.. :D
    yeah, it's always hard to find out that you have been fooled around
     
  12. {GD}Odie3

    {GD}Odie3 You Give Odie a Boner

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    I believe this is directed to me and the Ban that I made on Lode at the GD/DTAS forums.

    Please note that Lode was unbanned from GD/DTAS-AL forums some time ago, since it was only a temp ban. Also, he was not banned for voicing that Duke/Taque cheated. I let his post stand in the forum as locked. I asked very nicely via a PM to stop posting additional "thoughts" on the subject. So, I banned him due to not following my request as Forum Admin. So, the temp ban was straight up fair and square. Now, as for "game" servers - as far as I know he is not banned from mine. But PM me if I am incorrect.

    As it has been said a few times in the thread - Neabits post is the way to do it.

    If you are unable to do the work like N1 did, then find players that can - "via PM's, IM's, or emails". Yes, Lode and *many* other people where right but they where not proved right until Neabits post [N1's weeks of work].
     
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  13. leiperik

    leiperik Altied Dikke hey!

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    i felt the same way
     
  14. [nMp]Cheese

    [nMp]Cheese New Member

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    about ntkb..

    i really dont think he cheats
    i know he recently joined mp and plays with duke and taque a lot but he doesnt do the same things they do

    you can shoot nt in the back if you're patient enough and ive never seen him take fire the way duke did. ive never been killed by him where i thought he shot before he saw me either.(except in obvious spams alleys such as archives) these things happen all the time when playing against duke

    association doesn’t mean guilt, otherwise half of the inf community would be banned for being friends with taque.

    imo he's just a good player and we would need equal evidence to ban him
     
  15. ~viper~

    ~viper~ lo

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    If we are to have a proper trial, we need to hear it from the defense as well. So now I ask, will Duke please reply to this thread? Taque at least? Purposely not replying?
    For some reason I am reminded of a scene from Mystic River: "Admit what you did, Dave....Admit what you did, and I'll let you breathe"
     
  16. theRoadStroker

    theRoadStroker A Dickcheese Faggot

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    i dont think either of them got the brains or the balls to post here again...
     
  17. Midwinter

    Midwinter sneaky bastard

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    Right now, I only can say this.. :(
     
  18. Harrm

    Harrm I am watching porns.

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    Let's not even start that bullcrap. As someone who 1v1'd NTKB, I can say with some confidence that he's not cheating. He's really good (took me 8-7 back in the day) but far from perfection. Duke and Taque was a case in which killing them seemed utterly impossible, whereas killing NTKB was "merely" extremely difficult. And besides, I dont want this to turn into a witch hunt. Yeah, it should definately be looked into, but dont pull a USA and use it as an excuse to attack others around the INF community.

    If either Duke or Taque has anything to say in their defense, which I doubt, they are welcome to speak it. But if one of them does decide to respond, I gather it would be something to the effect of "hahaha, screw you guys, enjoy your stupid game!" rather than a sincere apology. In a way, they're right, it's a just a game, they pulled a fast one on us, good for them. But let's just remember that they're the morons who used "mind****" as the bind. Here's a tip: dont make it so blatant next time.

    On the server bans: Shan has been notified. If he doesn't respond, I'll ban their IPs, unless Odie wants to do it for me. They're in direct violation of the server rules, and I'm more than willing to file in a report if it still needs doing.

    --Harrm

    PS- One last note: I'd like to say that, for once, Pipe Dream called it. Hell has officially frozen over. I can now die in peace.
     
  19. {GD}Odie3

    {GD}Odie3 You Give Odie a Boner

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    Already done Harrm and logged in the SG Server Admin forums. I did it when I removed WP1.2 and IWE mutators.
     
  20. Maverick_[GER]

    Maverick_[GER] New Member

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    gggrrrrrr...

    What a shame!!! :rant: [​IMG] :rant:
    I am speechless and extremely annoyed. [​IMG] I do not have any trust into the INF ModTeam Weapon Pack. [​IMG] The confidence can bring also no cheat-fix back. [​IMG]

    Good work for the investigation @ [n1]. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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