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dual handguns?

Discussion in 'New Version Suggestions' started by Krycek360, Dec 4, 2003.

  1. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    So!! And why are you the one that always Flames me? :(
    Have you read my sig.
     
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  2. cleve-ntt

    cleve-ntt random in the head.

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    But Imagin how fun it would be to aim with each mouse!

    See the humour here.

    Thats our ****ing problem, we look at a post and try to see any way we can flame the author because of it.
     
  3. SaraP

    SaraP New Member

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    Let's see.

    A useless toy. Recoil is off the chart, even with a compensator, and 1800 rounds a minute from a pistol is ridiculous even with a 33-round extended magazine.


    Do you mean the Stoner SR-25? That's a very good rifle, but it's redundant because Infiltration already has a semiautomatic 7.62x51mm sniper rifle -- the Heckler & Koch PSG-1.

    I assume you got this one from America's Army. The Vintorez is an interesting weapon -- a short-range assassin/sniper rifle firing an armor-piercing subsonic 9x39mm round -- but it would be very hard for the Infiltration team to obtain the detailed technical information they would need to implement it.

    The Accuracy International AW Covert is a fictional weapon. There is no version of the Accuracy International AW with an integrated suppressor.


    Many people have asked for one or the other of these ubiquitous assault rifles for quite some time. The Infiltration team hasn't said anything about it yet. You can get almost two for the price of one since the AK-47 and AK-74 are nearly identical in apparance; even if the modeller insists on getting every detail right, there's not that much to change between the two.

    Also a common request, and IMHO the most valid once since Infiltration does not feature any battle rifle. Personally, I prefer the modernized version -- the Springfield Armory M1A.

    The team already has an MP5N in the armory, so an MP5A4 would be completely superfluous; the MP5N is a baseline 9mm MP5 with a folding stock, ambidextrous safe/semi/burst/auto trigger group and threaded barrel which can accept a suppressor, wheras the MP5A4 is a baseline 9mm MP5 with fixed stock, right-handed safe/semi/burst/auto trigger group and standard unthreaded barrel.

    The MP5SD5 is largely redundant because the MP5/40 already has an attachable suppressor and the MP5N will as well.

    The team has stated that no additional H&K weapons other than those already in the army will be implemented, as H&K has been extremely uncooperative in providing technical information.

    Rarely used in combat; slugs are mostly for hunting.

    Infiltration used to have an AT4 rocket launcher, but this was massively abused as a cheap-kill anti-infantry weapon. The team has stated that rocket launchers will not be implemented unless there are drivable vehicles for them to shoot at.

    This is possible in real life, but doesn't work very well because you're sighting with too great a vertical offset from the barrel.
     
  4. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    Have you read my sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Acually thay are from RS with the exeption of the MDEL 18 and rocket luancher.,
    Slugs for hunting people at 75yrd.
    Where you allowed to move with the AT4?
    The UMP isnt a H&K weapon from my sorces.
    the sr-2 is a machine pistol.
    We still need a supressed sniper rifle. If i am correct the M14 can have a silencer and it can be used to snipe.
    having an acog would render the M16 and Friends usles in CQB.
    and if i am correct the 74 has a longer barrol
     
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  5. spm1138

    spm1138 Irony Is

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    What sorces?
    Did the chicken entrails tell you that?

    I read that the "N" doesn't have a burst mode. It does have the smooth ambidextrous trigger group with pictorial indicators though.

    I am sure I read somewhere that this was down to a Team 6 operator putting a burst trigger group back together incorrectly and then accidentally shooting himself as a result. Dunno if that's true or not.

    It also has tritium inserts in the sights.

    AFAIK, "Covert" refers to a kind of folding stock.
    Remtek has blurb about a barrel with an integral supressor:
    http://www.ketmer.com/ai/defense/aws/index.htm
    http://www.ketmer.com/ai/defense/awcovert/index.htm

    Any particular reason you're saying it's not real?
     
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  6. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    Cant remember I read it somewhere online.
     
  7. Dr.J

    Dr.J Staying Alive.

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    i apologise D-Bomb, my post was done under the influence of frustration. but

    that really got me.... but again i apologise.
     
  8. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    But I personally think there is a problem with the current pickup system.
    its like it takes no time to pull the mag/clip from the gun and place it in your inventory. In a battle situation sometimes when you pick up a weapon you drop the one you have and fire the one your picking up. and with pistols your not gona be able to pull out the mag/clip in 0.0sec. and in battle you leave no choice to hold two guns. and if your primary is out of ammo in the current mag/clip you put it behind your back cause it is on a sling. and pick the gun that is on the ground and fire it without puting the sling around you. So when in The heat of battle it could result in holding two pistols at the same time. So do you agree with me? :)
     
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  9. Gnam

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    http://hkpro.com/ump.htm
    Use a FAMAS with an ACOG
    If you're going to fight in CQB don't use an ACOG! Actually there have been some valid suggestions to be able to sight down the side of barrel so you have some ability to aim at close range with a scope, but considering that hip shooting is more accurate in 2.9 this is not really necessary. Seriously, just learn to use the ironsights for long range and you'll be fine, and if you do use a scope and end up in CQB, use your pistol, that's what they're there for.
    How is this similar at all to what I said and how is it a comment against Inf? Inf is a seperate game from UT, not a mutator. Besides that, you don't have to wait for the mutator version (Infiltration LITE) since the team allready made it, but that's besides the point.

    My point was, there are allready many tactical shooters and "realism" games that feature dual handguns. Although I suppose it would be mildly ammusing to try dual handguns in the context of free aim and other players using accurate, actually aimed weapons, if you're really set on using dual handguns you might as well go play a game that allready has them.

    As far as CS goes, I'm not going to argue whether it's a good game or not, because that's up to personal preference, but you can't really deny that it's not very realistic, atleast compaired to other realism games like SOCOM or Inf. It may be realistic compaired to Quake or UT, but that's not saying much.
     
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  10. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    CAn you put a bipod on that?
    The UMP fires a 45. cal round mush more power than a 9mm round and does mush more damage when its JHP.
    Try A ma like "Road to Kenarhar(sp?)" you carrying a M16 to snipe than go in to get the cd makes it impracticle for a CQB using a pistol and at that range and with someone wearing body amour I think it will have enough power for the person to feel a light pressuer. and With the ami error just aim above the point.
     
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  11. OICW

    OICW Reason & Logic > Religion

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    The FAMAS fires a 5.56X45mm round which has a flatter tracjetory as well as doing more tissue damage when travelling above 2500-2700fps than a 9mm or .45 :rolleyes:

    Bipods can't be done with the UT engine, wait for Inf UT2003.
     
  12. Lasersailor184

    Lasersailor184 The_Punisher

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    I would never revert to my dual 1911's unless the **** hits the fan, then accuraccy really doesn't matter.
     
  13. spm1138

    spm1138 Irony Is

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    That's endlessly debatable.
     
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  14. cleve-ntt

    cleve-ntt random in the head.

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    Lets solve this peacefully...

    There could be a button for CQB where you pull the Acog off and stamp on it several times.

    Back to dual pistols - the reload anim could have you try and reload holding both, fumble and drop one of them, then pick it up and put it on a wall.

    This would be repeated for the other one.

    It could also be interactive - maybe with Dance Dance Revolution style sychronised keypressing.
     
  15. ninjin

    ninjin The Franco-Japanese Carrot

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    as for CQB goes, why would you have an assault rifle with ACOG in CQB anyways? Thats like using a pistol for sniping (and yes, some people are amazing with the 5-7) But whichever way you look at it, assault rifles w/ acog ae clearly not designed for CQB, and if you happened to get into one, you'd be better off firing from hip (the lam from the Sig 551 is rather useful in that sense) or use a pistol.

    Personally, the only time i use acogs is when i use it to "see" enemy positions and report it to my teammates.

    Onto "dual handguns" aka akimbo. Looking at how inf is designed and moddled, how practical would akimbo pistols be? i doubt you would be able to hit anything other than at extremely close range. And what army/ex-army merc would use akimbo pistols in combat? I may not have seen military experience but i know for a fact that having a firefight between a trained military-experienced soldier with an assault rifle and a "hollywood cool-dude" with akimbo pistol is more of a joke. Now who is more likely to win? soldier with assault rifle or "cool-dude" with akimbo pistols? not only that it is absolutely inpractical and unneccessary in INF, even in "real-life" its not done (unless you are going for the gangsta's who dont know anything)
     
  16. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    As for reloading duel pistols youd put one in a thigh holster and reload one at a time.

    try playing a map like jeruselum with the camos almost identicle and using the M16 with a scope and M203. you cant fire the M203 with out getting a black eye. so there should be a way to ami ontop of a scope. If there isnt screw this and giveme a damn machine pistol.
     
  17. Crowze

    Crowze Bird Brain

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    That is exactly why that combination of M203 and ACOG is never used.
     
  18. sir_edmond

    sir_edmond In my own world

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    I use it for maps like Arid!:)
     
  19. SaraP

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    Because the integrated suppressor barrel is an aftermarket modification, and no "Covert" version is listed on the Accuracy International website.
     
  20. SaraP

    SaraP New Member

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    No military uses slug ammunition. The only military use for shotguns is breaching and close-quarters combat.

    The AT-4 was in Infiltration 2.75.

    Your "sorces" are incorrect.

    http://www.hkpro.com/ump.htm
    http://arms.host.sk/firearms/hkump.htm
    http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Subs/HK_UMP45.htm

    Provide a link to technical data on it, then.

    The M-14 can be fitted with a suppressor. However, the suppressed M-14 was normally used with supersonic ammunition; the supressor was used to reduce muzzle flash and make it more difficult to localize the sound of the weapon firing rather than to make the weapon quiet.


    You are not correct. The AK-74's barrel looks longer because it has a narrower diameter, but both the AK-74 and the AK-47 barrels are 41.5 cm long.
     

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