UT3 Servers down worldwide?

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[PSI]Snow White

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That's like saying that punching someone in the mouth gives them incentive to get health insurance.


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WolfStar

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Yeah except someone tried it and it worked...

Your first post is supporting a "fix" made by the same person who released the exploit code? Yeah, it may "work," for now, but have you broken it down, code line by code line, until you truly know what the "fix" does?
 
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Grobut

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Your first post is supporting a "fix" made by the same person who released the exploit code? Yeah, it may "work," for now, but have you broken it down, code line by code line, until you truly know what the "fix" does?

It's highly suspect at any rate, hell, even if this "patch" does turn out to be harmless, the motivations behind it are far from honerable..
 

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HAHA I know this guy, and I have known about his stuff since the first unreal. He was making stuff to bring down servers LONG ago shame he hasn't repented and turned from his wicked ways.
 

HudsonC

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Well now the Server browser isn't working. My server is up and all 4 instance are going and you can get into them via the open command.
Update it seems the Server Browser is working at this time. But it has been blank then comes back
 
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Akira Kurosawa

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That's like saying that punching someone in the mouth gives them incentive to get health insurance.
Sometimes that's what it takes. It's only a game anyways.
*applauds the release of the exploit.*

Exploits shouldn't be hidden or ignored. If they are know then they should be fixed. While it's impossible to make something unexploitable, they can still greatly increase the security and stability. If people are attacking the servers, and an epic admin made a comment that it's being worked on. Then it's initial and possibly unintentional goal is achieved.
 

Grobut

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Sometimes that's what it takes. It's only a game anyways.
*applauds the release of the exploit.*

Exploits shouldn't be hidden or ignored. If they are know then they should be fixed. While it's impossible to make something unexploitable, they can still greatly increase the security and stability. If people are attacking the servers, and an epic admin made a comment that it's being worked on. Then it's initial and possibly unintentional goal is achieved.

No, it would be perfectly fine if he had just made us aware of the exploit (but kept the details secret), and contacted Epic about the technical details of it so they could fix it, but releasing the code for this exploit so every script kiddie out there could start using it emediately is not cool.
 

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No, it would be perfectly fine if he had just made us aware of the exploit (but kept the details secret), and contacted Epic about the technical details of it so they could fix it, but releasing the code for this exploit so every script kiddie out there could start using it emediately is not cool.

It was reckless sure. But it's best to get it out of the way while the engine is still in prime use. It's gotten epics attention is whats good.
 

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If he's trying to get a job as security analyst or something, he's definitely going about it the wrong way. He should've told Epic so he could put it on his resume. :p

He's not interested. He used to work for a security company, but he either left or got fired.

It was reckless sure. But it's best to get it out of the way while the engine is still in prime use. It's gotten epics attention is whats good.

You get Epic's attention by simply notifying them about the security issue. Epic learned their lesson concerning thing over 5 years ago.
 

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It's impossible to write bug free software, especially something as complex as a multiplayer online game. The only thing you could possibly blame Epic for is that they abandoned UT2004 development in favor of newer games like GoW(2) and UT3.

This part truely sucks, especially since there still are people being recruited to ut2004 (after the big UT3 disappointment). As long as they have paying customers they should care. They sit on deep-down knownledge of their own code, and releasing minor patches on major problems like this would take up very little of their time.

What is a problem, though, is releasing critical bugs to the public without giving developers even the slightest chance for a fix. And that can only be blamed on the person releasing the info.

..and this part sucks even more. Yeah, great he's discovering the actual problems - in general. But then again, the community would most likely not suffer from the problem in the first place, if this genious didn't post them publicly. Give someone a chance to correct the problem (i.e. some of the die-hards who have contributed to the community over the years, if Epic doesn't care), then he can go ahead and brag all he wants about his discoveries.
 

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You are an idiot.

I agree with your statement about "Akira-I-think-I'm-a-hardcore-anime-character". I mean the little pip squeak pushes the point about fixing exploits on the premise that rectifying those holes in the game will enable people to have fun playing the game. Yet he encourages exploits actually being used to bring down game servers, which is the thing that actually prevents people from playing the game in the first place. But what can you expect from a try hard anime nerd who think's he's Japanese simply because he has 'Akira' attached to his display name rofl.
 
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elmuerte

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Wouldn't know anything about that, what happened?

Epic received a notification about similar bugs in the engine (from the same Luigi) and due to various circumstances(1) the issues were not addressed within a reasonable time frame (a couple of months iirc, anyway, a patch was released in the mean while, but didn't fix the reported issues). So... Luigi though the report was ignored (which is sort of true) and made the report public (but without a proof of concept program). Some server admins got a hold of this and notified Epic about their concern. Epic responded and was quickly working on a fix, although before the fix was released someone already figured out how to bring down servers using the information from Luigi's report. But the attack didn't last long because the Epic's fix was ready and released. So... instead of fixing the reported issue within a week it took 3 months and a week.

(1) the reported issues were not given a high priority, the person that was put in charge to address the issues went on a small vacation (or at least, was away for a little while), when he got back he simply forgot about it.


Or at least, something like that. Epic ****ed up the security bug report (like many other software vendors do the first time). Back then Luigi worked like most security researchers do: give the vendor heads up and time to fix it before making the information public.
 
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