ACORN is at it again.(Investigation underway)
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My dad said the world revolves around sex. I don't necessarily agree with him but it's definitely a good way to tone down any testosterone-fueled debates.
Ok. How about getting people to go to the local town hall to register for a vote and get an official document in return that can be presented on the day of the elections ?
All approaches suck imo. Something new is needed.
Whatever happened to journalists that were happy with just presenting the facts ?
That was just sarcasm on my part. I'm just saying that there are people somewhere in this world that haven't received a lot of education, don't have alcool to burn their frustration away and are just itching to exercice their lack of tolerance on anyone that tells them that their acts are wrong.
This was a reply to BBA but I'll say it depends on what you consider as socialism. If the idea to level the ground a bit so people have a better chance in life, what's wrong with that.
Debating whether a measure is capitalist or socialist is old hat since the cold war is over and neither capitalism or socialism are what they used to be fifty years ago.
On one hand, capitalism today is all about being the biggest gorilla on the block, slashing costs to maximize profits for shareholders, using employees as kleenex tissues and treating customers like dairy cows. On the other hand, socialism today is all about maintaining the illusion that everyone is cared for while using some of the money milked from the population for selfish purposes.
In short, both capitalism and socialism have the same caveats. Neither the government or the private sector can be entirely trusted when it comes to the interests of the average Joe. Both are a menace to the working population and both are in big need of regulation.
The problem here is that a lot of international companies don't give a damn what wage their employees get. The cheaper it is, the better as long as investors are happy. However, for your basic employee the problem is that below a certain wage level, the cost of living starts to become a problemm. So you can't really leave a question like this to the private sector.
Perhaps minimum wage can be adapted according to the size of the business. Wouldn't that be more reasonsable ? Or maybe the state could intervene on the salary level as a form of loan while waiting for a business to expand.
If minimum wage isn't adapted properly, welfare will have to be applied anyway because beyond a certain point it's difficult to pay for things like a car, an accodomation and any costs associated with living and working. This means that a person that is working could be eventually forced to abandon a job. This is to be avoided.
As for the wealthy sending money elsewhere, this is already happening. The current trend is to place money in offshore banks to avoid taxes and maximize return on interests. From a business point of view I guess this is ok, but it's one less source of revenue which means that mister and misses average have to give more in taxes to support the cost of running a nation. And delocalization is also a reality because the labour costs are much higher in western countries than in developping ones.
Well, I'll agree that this is laughable. It's a bit like that web site asking the UK to compensate old colonies. None of the people that might have suffered are alive today. So why entertain old hates ?
I completely agree with this. Instead of putting people into dependancy and letting their brains rot away, the socialists here should with their propaganda and push people to have more initiative. Instead of giving things away for "free" (easy when it's not your money mister), they should explain how to get things. In the medium term, the more potential entrepreneurs you have, the more potential activity you should get. This in turn can only benefit an economy.
The truth is that we are all born unequal and have unequal lives. Don't you find it appealing that even the unluckiest of people could have a decent existence providing they put effort in ? I mean, most of us are both mentally and physically fit but there's no guarantee it will stay that way.
And when you at things now, both systems **** you over. With today's capitalism, keeping a job isn't easy and with today's socialism someone who's had it really bad will never find a job with high enough wages to play catch up.
As for representatives being nicely paid even if they **** up, that is a problem. It's again a question of accountability and responsability towards individuals. And I can only extend that comment to those CEOs that get a "golden parachute" when they get fired even if they've virtually led a company to bankruptcy. Anyone else would have just been fired and even fined.
riiiiiiiiight.... because nobody else posts pictures in BUF.
I just thought the pic was funny, geez. Like I said, keep on with the insults ad nauseum. You guys are still completely brainwashed by Obama.
I said vaguely racist. Because of the whole reparations comment combined with the "freebies" comment. Sounds like someone's bitter about minorities given an equal chance in society.
This coming from the guy that's a Neo-Con.
You are voting for a person that is a racist and verbally said so. You do realize the reason McCain is not going to get elected is because Neo-Cons ****ting and lying all over this once great country. Obama is going to have a big mess to clean up as a result of terrible selfish Neo-Con behavior. Hopefully this administration will one by one get arrested, and tried for war crimes. It the very least that these bad people deserve.
I guess the thing that bothers me most about Neo-Cons is they claim to be Americans, but don't represent the true American in the least. It's like a Nazi saying they are a true German. It just wasn't true.
I understand your frustration with the current administration, and the Republican Party in general, BBA. But you're fooling yourself if you think that the other party is going to be any better. In fact, the Democrats have amply demonstrated selfish behavior of their very own.
There's no knight in shining armor here.
There's no knight in shining armor here.
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That debate flow chart has been posted already - still pretty funny though.
And dear god, please don't let Phil Gramm anywhere near the Treasury Department. It's bad enough that he's a Senator.
And dear god, please don't let Phil Gramm anywhere near the Treasury Department. It's bad enough that he's a Senator.
I don't disagree with you. I do think it is now time for somebody else to make a go at it with a different angle. If it works, great. If not, well try again from a different approach.
The truth is there are too many people showing up for work in D.C. these days for not the reason they should be there. It's hurting us all.
Uhhg. God. Must you always be so righteous?
In case you guys couldn't tell my only reason for posting those (clearly fake) propaganda pictures was in reply to Hal's statement accusing that guy of buying into media propaganda.
They weren't at all serious in the least nor were they meant to convey anything relevant. Surely you could have deduced this by the 2 statements that preceded them ("OMG newspapers" and "OMG consequences").
But I forgot, this is the internet. Airoman wants absolute justification of our antics. Sorry to disappoint you bro, but not everything we do here is serious business.
The best part about these political discussions is that everyone is wrong. You're wrong, I'm wrong, the great Hellfire Hal is wrong, everyone who posts in these threads is inherently wrong in doing so. All we accomplish by these discussions is the advancement of our own animosity, effectively driving ourselves apart through blind partisanship. We all think the other guy is wrong and we have the best idea or opinion. I think you're a cold, sandy vagina sometimes, you think I'm an obnoxious ass clown at others.
But none of us are really saying anything in the end. Our policies are formed by the influences in our lives, most likely starting with our parents then shaped further by our peers and whatever media we choose to selectively believe.
Come Nov., McCain might win, Obama might win. Neither of them are going to do or get done a quarter of the sh*t they say they will and we won't know the true effectiveness of either man until closer to 2012.
Threads like these are fun and all, but we could accomplish the same effect if we created a thread in which all we did was post 20 pages worth of spam.
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I've only been called a racist about 500 times.What's funny is it's NEVER happened until this year and during political debates.I'm used to it.It doesn't bother me anymore.
Racism is the typical first response(when they know no facts) from hard lefty liberal dems OR their last response in a debate(frustration sets in).
It's a 2 way street and those who know me personally know different.I refuse to vote for obama to prove I'm not a bigot.
How dumb does this sound?You are not voting for McCain right?You are not voting for him because he's white.You must be a racist.
Childish right?Like I said earlier-playground or radical status is the norm for some who are blind to anything that shows their guy's negatives.
The reparations comment originated from all that I have read and watched about obama,his wife,her thesis,her speeches,her comments during tv interviews,their pastor,his views,obama's book,and his comments,black liberation theology,and on and on.
I truly feel they have animosity towards America and whites in general.So that's when I started looking into it.If he were to say he'd implement something like slavery reparations he'd lose,so of course he says he will not.However he can do it and might,just under a different guise.Maybe taking money from the well off and giving it to the poor will be enough who knows.
A thief for president.WTH has the world come to?I'm actually wondering if I will make more money sitting on my lazy ass than what I get after obamas tax plans show their ugly face.That's no joke either.
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Maybe you could pay attention to what people are doing in the name of Obama. Like I don't know, tell businesses its discrimination to put up a sign saying you support McCain. Which their complaint just so happens to be signed by the Fing governor of the freaking state. Now take your wash of an argument and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
Maybe I'm getting sick of being called a racist just because I support McCain, so I came to his defense from someone doing just that, YOU.
Oh and being against those things that he is against doesn't make you racist. It makes you against a free ride at everyone elses expense. Get it straight.
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First of all, do either of you know what the word "vaguely" means? And second, do you understand why I'm "vaguely" in this context? I'm simply using the things unbecoming said to draw that conclusion. If you think of me as a "hard lefty liberal dem" that's fine but that doesn't change what you said.
You're racist if you vote for McCain and you're brainwashed if you vote for Obama. Easy enough.
