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if you take into account that unbecoming believes all that stuff about Obama then its obvious why he believes in this.
Basically I'm wondering why you'd strongly defend it. I mean you say some of these things are not hard to believe, but actually it's pretty shocking that just Obama could be said to support reparations just because some black people do - and far more so that he hates white people. I mean they're disturbing statements right there.

I think you have a good point in that unbecoming will say any old nonsense, but whilst it's thus possible that racism may not be a motivation, things like 'I truly feel they have animosity towards America and whites in general' certainly raises a big old eyebrow over the racial connotations there.

If you'd said that people shouldn't just assume he was racist then I'd have agreed with you, but:
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I am defending him, but most importantly blasting the idea of calling people racist just because they disagree with a black candidate.
that suggests that people have no basis to be suspicious of his remarks, but it's ignoring that unbecoming does say a lot of disturbing stuff - if he'd made these statements without all of the other made up stuff he comes out with they'd look racially motivated, so I think slamming people for thinking so is well harsh.
 
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Just had to play the race card, didn't ya?
 

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Nope.

what I meant was, their policies, their stances, everything about them is black and white. these 2 candidates could not be more different, yet that guy was trying to say they were one in the same just because they're politicians.

Cynicism is understandable, however when it comes to American politics.
 

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Nope.

what I meant was, their policies, their stances, everything about them is black and white. these 2 candidates could not be more different, yet that guy was trying to say they were one in the same just because they're politicians.

Cynicism is understandable, however when it comes to American politics.

In all reality, their legislation wouldn't be that different from each other. They'll talk and really try to make themselves look different from each other, but any new laws that are passed will be undone with the next president anyway. So really, it doesn't matter. It's a lose/lose situation. So let's just keep pouring money into campaigns. It's a black hole.
 
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No smoking gun here folks....
The real problem I have with ACORN is that it's publically funded. The last thing we should have to do is pay people to go out and register voters. If you can't be arsed to pop into the DMV or the Post Office and fill out a card from existing government entities, why should we bother finding you and trying to bribe you into doing it?
 

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Nope.

what I meant was, their policies, their stances, everything about them is black and white. these 2 candidates could not be more different, yet that guy was trying to say they were one in the same just because they're politicians.

Cynicism is understandable, however when it comes to American politics.
I agree with you, however, I thought you would pick up on my sarcasm.
 

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Is the problem the word "they" or the reparations thing?

"They" means obama and his wife obviously.You are right and "they" (meaning the obama supporters in this thread accusing me of being a bigot) are just trying to skew the context of my words to justify their point as they often do.

To me being against reparations isn't racist and speculating that Obama might be for that isn't really either. In general I don't find something like that racist and when we are talking about Obama and character questions it's something that's well not to hard to believe, if you know what I mean, and if you take into account that unbecoming believes all that stuff about Obama then its obvious why he believes in this.

Some articles/videos I believe,other stuff I suspect.It's not my fault when obama is so secretive,double talks,flip-flops,backpedals,talks one way in this city and another way in a different city,doesn't come clean until busted,etc.

WTH can u do besides do your homework and try to read in between the lines and connect the dots?Politicians say anything to get that power because once there in,that's it.He calls socialism social justice to camo that so it's not out of the realm of possibility that whatever he will do,he will try to hide it.


I question that site sometimes when it comes to politics,especially this year.How many sites and media outlets that used to reputable have we seen this year that not only do not try hide their wanted candidate,they blatantly promote them?
Also Voter registration fraud can lead to voter fraud so why not nip in the bud before it becomes that?I also said earlier that acorn reps and their prey have admitted registration fraud.Do you think the FBI is republican or what?It may be small potatoes(that doesn't make it ok)but neither of us know how bad it truly is.

Basically I'm wondering why you'd strongly defend it. I mean you say some of these things are not hard to believe, but actually it's pretty shocking that just Obama could be said to support reparations just because some black people do - and far more so that he hates white people. I mean they're disturbing statements right there.

I think you have a good point in that unbecoming will say any old nonsense, but whilst it's thus possible that racism may not be a motivation, things like 'I truly feel they have animosity towards America and whites in general' certainly raises a big old eyebrow over the racial connotations there.

If you'd said that people shouldn't just assume he was racist then I'd have agreed with you, but:

that suggests that people have no basis to be suspicious of his remarks, but it's ignoring that unbecoming does say a lot of disturbing stuff - if he'd made these statements without all of the other made up stuff he comes out with they'd look racially motivated, so I think slamming people for thinking so is well harsh.

Uhh excuse I am not the one who brought race into the debate.It was Michelle and Barry.Let's not forget I was probama at one time way back when I was a blind,media believing,misinformed lamb.

I'd like to debate leaving out race,but it is michelle and barack who always seem to speak of black and white America.That's strange coming from a pair of pro unity chameleons.If we are to be unified then we must start under one common label-Americans,not blank American.Imagine McCain and his wife even saying once-Black America/White America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BogJvgdH6eo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVwzUtonxVE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYEvRg7PJVY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPQ9kZe3ZA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3xhik135E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DQAOZlNrO8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCkvvFJtLJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2Yv-rnJEo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3kvW0cGZvQ&feature=related
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/must-see-video-clip-about-bill-ayers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tb69odI_RY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmHtGQq-z_Y&feature=related
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If those videos do not raise slight suspicions into their true feelings and agenda then you're a sheep and we need not discuss race any further.
They may not be racist,but they definitely lean towards separatism or at least harbor animosity.OMG-said "they" twice what does it mean?

There are way too many coincidences surrounding this guy and his wife.Why I do not believe or trust 80% of what they say has absolutely nothing to do with him being HALF WHITE and everything to do with their words,policies,past track record,experience,associations,etc.

Wright-anti white and anti-American.20 years spent influencing Obama.-(Friends,Spiritual Mentor,Advisor,Like a Father to me).Obama knew all along what Wright was all about.They have Black Liberation theology pamphlets in their lobby.They actually praise Farrakahn (a representative of Islam and gave him an award.Trinity said "Farrakahn epitomizes greatness".There's a real winner.

Trinity church was probably chosen by his wife because I actually feel she's more of a hater with an axe to grind than he himself,HOWEVER I do not trust Obama to not take advice from his wife.He said himself,"Michelle is my best advisor".

Rezko-another corrupt friend of his.

Raines-another corrupt friend of his.One of the guys who pushed banks into giving out thousands of bad loans or be accused as racists which contributed to our current mess.Degree or not,he's a crooked idiot.This is who obama said he takes financial and econonic advice from.

Ayers-another USA hater.These two have worked together for years and were closer than he leads on.

Gay Marriage
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/23/opinion/main4124256.shtml

Pro Abortion Anytime-will sign the Freedom of Choice Act overturning every piece of pro-life legislation passed in the last 35 years.

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2007/09/stanek_on_the_o.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...B55C0D-A1F0-452E-8633-9AFAA0FDC601}&dist=hppr
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/01/top-10-reasons.html

NO abortions would be ideal,but I can understand rape and incest and a woman's right,but there are many forms of effective birth control that some women refuse to use,and the baby does have a rights too.There is such thing as adoption also.

I need no more info.This is enough right here to make me say "The same is better than his "TYPE OF CHANGE"

Furthermore-You cannot even become a manager of McDonalds with 6 months training.How can we vote a community organizer into the most powerful position in our nation with his experience?He hasn't done jack in the senate,but campaign for his run at the white house.That alone is enough for me to say "He is just not ready" even if I didn't know all of the other things about his church and associations.

Check that link in my sig as well.If that is true then all of this is a waste of time anyway.I haven't seen the man's birth certificate,have you?
 

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If that is true then all of this is a waste of time anyway.I haven't seen the man's birth certificate,have you?

If all this were true and legitimate, the man wouldn't be as close to the Presidency as he is.

Colin Powell has now endorsed him. Would Colin Powell endorse an unAmerican terrorist? Would the supreme court allow a man who was not born in the US to run for president?

If there was an ounce of truth in all these mumbo jumbo videos you link to, the guy would not have gotten through the primary. I suppose you think it's one massive, liberal/media/hollywood/reality/Islamic conspiracy that all these people are behind the man and he's been allowed to get this far.

You. Are. A. Complete. Idiot.

You have now even used the word "sheep" to justify why the rest of us fail to see it. I was just waiting for this. You freakin' moron.
 

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Colin Powell has now endorsed him.

I think Colin Powell is just trying to reverse the years and years of being called Uncle Tom by his own people by pandering to them. He did say that either Obama or McCain would make good presidents, for all it's worth. Obama, for Colin Powell is the "safe" pick.
 

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I don't think this thread needs any more attention. All we're seeing now is an excess of ignorance and idiocy from a couple of guys desperate for everyone else to see the "truth", which is this: that there's enough other ignorant and idiotic people out there with the time to spread their rubbish in any form they see fit. Like I said before, we've all come to our own conclusions already and there isn't enough evidence to reasonably suggest that this ACORN situation will have any impact on the election in general.

Oh, and this is a post from another message board that may be appreciated in this context:

So, today, Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama on NBC's Meet The Press. Now, the fact of the matter is that 16 days before the election, Obama is looking more and more likely to win - and so, another high-profile political figure endorsing Obama at this point isn't really that noteworthy, in my opinion. However, something that Powell said during the interview made me pause, especially in light of recent events. He said,

"We have got to stop polarizing ourselves in this way."

On the face of it, this is about as banal and obvious a statement as anyone can make - because, yeah, polarization is bad, etc etc etc. And of course, the politics of division is hardly a new phenomenon - but this campaign, and the last few weeks in particular, have been truly galling in that regard.

I was shocked when I heard that Sarah Palin made remarks about how she considered the small towns to be the "real America." Really? That means, those of us in -God forbid- cities and suburbs are not "real Americans?"

I was equally disturbed when McCain adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer suggested that the southern, more rural parts of Virginia were the "Real Virginia." Her quote in full was: "Democrats have just come in from the District of Columbia and moved into Northern Virginia, and that's really what you see there. But the rest of the state, real Virginia, if you will, I think will be very responsive to Senator McCain's message." So, does that mean that Democrats aren't real Virginians? Does that mean that if I don't vote McCain, I'm not a "Real American"?

It appalls me to see the McCain campaign pitting Americans against each other by implying that the patriotism and the intrinsic decency of an American citizen is determined solely by how likely he or she is going to vote for John McCain. This, folks, is everything that's wrong about the politics of division, distilled quite nicely by the McCain campaign into the purest essence of bitter, cynical gamesmanship. If this divisive, simple-minded and wrong-headed way of leadership moves from the domestic political arena into the world stage, as may happen in a McCain administration, we may see a continuation of the cowboy foreign policy that has been the hallmark of the Bush administration - and thus, a continued erosion of America's standing in the world, and in global stability such as we've seen over the last 6 years or so.

Let's put this another way. The early years of Bush's presidency showed his flair for ill-advised political gimmickry - remember the "Axis of Evil"? I see the same patterns in McCain's campaign - aside from the questioning about the patriotism of people supporting Obama, remember how McCain suspended his campaign to deal with the economic crisis, only to reactivate it a couple of days later? There's the McCain campaign trying out new aspersions on Obama every week, implying that he's a terrorist sympathizer and a socialist, among other things. And now, of course, the McCain campaign has sunk to new lows of triviality by making Joe the Plumber the figurehead of their campaign.

Folks, the challenges facing America now are enormous - the dire economic crisis aside, we are facing a resurgent, newly-belligerent Russia, low faith in American policy worldwide... all of these compounded with already existing problems. Bin Laden still hasn't been found, we still have an expensive war in Iraq that has accomplished little in the war against terrorism (and certainly nothing in the way of WMDs.. remember that?), and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict still rages on. And what's John McCain's main talking point, in the face of all of this? A ****ING PLUMBER.

John McCain has demonstrated frivolity and a penchant for gimmickry in the face of a deepening crisis. He has shown to me that he is a dividing force rather than a uniting one - a leader who is willing to play on fear and suspicion rather than bring disparate groups of America together. In short, McCain is not ready to lead Americans in the current crisis.

Now, I made my decision who to vote for long before Obama and McCain were confirmed as the presidential candidates for their respective parties. I was, and still am, sick of Bush's idiotic way of handling both international and domestic policies, and I was ready for a change, no matter who the Democratic nominee was. But I was hoping it would be Obama all along, ever since he first rose to prominence in 2004. McCain has often targeted Obama's rhetorical abilities and intelligence, accusing him of pretty words and being an elitist intellectual. But, folks... are we really so screwed up, here in America, that being an intelligent and charismatic leader is seen as a bad thing?. After the sheer ineptness of Bush's simple-minded policies, and in the face of the massive problems America has today, Obama's combination of cool-headed intellect and charisma on both the domestic and international stage is EXACTLY what we need. For God's sake, if there's anyone who's going to lead me, it'd better be someone who's more intelligent, more charismatic and more accomplished than me in every way, and not just some chump who makes gestures at "understanding ordinary people" but doesn't understand what it takes to lead a country.

In short, let me put it this way.

I am tired of failed Republican policies that have led us this far, especially in the realm of foreign policy.

I am tired of people implying over and over again that somehow, intellect and charisma is a bad thing.

And to paraphase Joe Biden, when he responded to Palin's irresponsible words about a "real America", I am tired, tired, TIRED of the politics of divisiveness that Bush and now McCain have practiced, and I don't want to see it enshrined in our nation's highest office.

I became a citizen of the United States in 2005. I have been waiting 3 years for my chance to vote. Barack Obama is exactly the kind of leader we need today. And therefore, my first presidential vote ever will go to Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
 
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^ I'd have to agree, Dopefish. I have held a council with my fellow moderators and we see it only fair to lock this thread. I am also banning Unbecoming for being a motard.

Say it with me, motard.

Quote me if you've any sanity left.

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Therapeutic!


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I can't help it if it's true.

when it comes to making up his mind on the issues at hand this guy uses no reasonably logical approach.
You can help it no matter what. For once thing, he has posted very little that you could completely rebuke, no matter how much time you spent. There are a lot of questions about Obama's past. There are a lot of unanswerable questions about his associations with certain parties in this country.

If you've decided to vote for him, that's your prerogative, but don't flame other people for coming to a different conclusion. Voting for McCain is not racist, it's not hate, it's not propaganda, it's not anything. It's someone who has come to a different conclusion than you by whatever means they deemed necessary. There are plenty of Obama supporters (even on BuF) that have made their decision using as little or as much "reasonably logical approach"es as the McCain supporters, so flaming IS NOT NECESSARY OR ACCEPTABLE.
 
You can help it no matter what. For once thing, he has posted very little that you could completely rebuke, no matter how much time you spent. There are a lot of questions about Obama's past. There are a lot of unanswerable questions about his associations with certain parties in this country.

If you've decided to vote for him, that's your prerogative, but don't flame other people for coming to a different conclusion. Voting for McCain is not racist, it's not hate, it's not propaganda, it's not anything. It's someone who has come to a different conclusion than you by whatever means they deemed necessary. There are plenty of Obama supporters (even on BuF) that have made their decision using as little or as much "reasonably logical approach"es as the McCain supporters, so flaming IS NOT NECESSARY OR ACCEPTABLE.

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Some articles/videos I believe,other stuff I suspect.It's not my fault when obama is so secretive,double talks,flip-flops,backpedals,talks one way in this city and another way in a different city,doesn't come clean until busted,etc.
And McCain doesn't? May I point to the house nonsense? Some of the things you're complaining about are just politics, and I'd like to complain about the overuse of the phrase 'flip-flopping' - it's retarded and just another buzzword that people like to throw out there because it sounds nice. Why is it wrong if a politician changes his or her mind after examining an issue?

You say that you don't support Barack Obama because you don't agree with his stances on a few issues - in this case abortion and gay marriage - and I think that's fine. But don't go around demonizing a candidate, especially when McCain has a few skeletons in his closet also.
 

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If all this were true and legitimate, the man wouldn't be as close to the Presidency as he is.

Colin Powell has now endorsed him. Would Colin Powell endorse an unAmerican terrorist? Would the supreme court allow a man who was not born in the US to run for president?

In case you didn't know money can get u ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING U DESIRE.It can get false documents,people to lie that normally would not,an island,a country,and so on.NEARLY EVERYONE and EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE.Did I say OMG This proves he isn't a US citizen.No.

Also I do not recall EVER calling him a terrorist,now come on that's not even worth entertaining.I surely think he hung out and had intimate discussions with one for 4 years or more though which is enough to make question his character and judgment.If it were McCain with this type of past he wouldn't have made it 3 months.I think that most of us could agree on.

If there was an ounce of truth in all these mumbo jumbo videos you link to, the guy would not have gotten through the primary.

Quotes from his books,audio of his voice,videos of his wife's quotes,speeches,and interviews-all mumbo jumbo?I am master at video editing right?

You have now even used the word "sheep" to justify why the rest of us fail to see it. I was just waiting for this. You freakin' moron.

The name calling just strengthens my earlier post.Throw out some facts or opposite opinions and the playground or radical attitude shows it's face.

I say sheep because I'm still astounded that so many turn a blind eye to the things that are indeed true about him and everything I said above.If the shoe were on the other foot it would be looped daily in by the mainstream media and McCain would not be able to leave his home.

I can tell,like many(not all)of obama's followers that you have a lot of hatred bottled up inside.

I think Colin Powell is just trying to reverse the years and years of being called Uncle Tom by his own people by pandering to them. He did say that either Obama or McCain would make good presidents, for all it's worth. Obama, for Colin Powell is the "safe" pick.

He could be setting up his next job or maybe he actually even believes obama is the messiah.I wish Powell were running and not bama.

I can't help it if it's true.

when it comes to making up his mind on the issues at hand this guy uses no reasonably logical approach.

That's the exact thought that goes through my head when debating with half of the obama supporters I encounter on the web and in real life.

And McCain doesn't? May I point to the house nonsense? Some of the things you're complaining about are just politics, and I'd like to complain about the overuse of the phrase 'flip-flopping' - it's retarded and just another buzzword that people like to throw out there because it sounds nice. Why is it wrong if a politician changes his or her mind after examining an issue?

LOL the house thing again.His wife has over a hundred mil alone,they should own 20 houses.Too many houses-You're disqualified from race.That's a substance issue all right.That's really equal to hanging with corrupt people and a terrorist. Bring all the dirt you have on McCain m8.I doubt you sway anyone.I've probably seen it all and it still doesn't compare to the above imho.I NEVER SAID McCain was a white knight.He does not excite me in the least really.I'm just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.Along with the dirt,bring things to me that will make me think differently about obama and his wife and their beliefs.


You say that you don't support Barack Obama because you don't agree with his stances on a few issues - in this case abortion and gay marriage - and I think that's fine. But don't go around demonizing a candidate, especially when McCain has a few skeletons in his closet also.

I fail to see how I'm demonizing him when I simply state some facts about him and his wife accompanied with my concerns and opinions.I never said he was the anti-Christ.Do you think I am trying to sway anyone's vote here or something?No.Never was my intention.As Dope said everyone has their guy already I knew that months ago.

Maybe I'm bored.Perhaps I like to see what makes people tick.Hell I could just be a puppet master pulling some strings just to make someone dance for my own little amusement. :lol:

Any this thread's been fun so let's not let it get out of hand and closed.
 
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