XMP is coming to UT2004! - Free Monkey Interactive Announces UT XMP

[Mantik]

I R TEH SAITO! UR POSTS R TEH BULL****!

You can cheat all you want in xmp and don't have to worry about a god damn thing. In 2k4 they banzor your CD key if you do so... plus 2k4 has UT secure and anti TCC. As is I can go dl an aim bot or anything and cheat away in XMP and the community could do jack **** apart from pillow bite and whine about it.

I find it rather disturbing to know that on virtually every single one of your posts you've made in the past few days or week, has revolved around the fact that you personally, can cheat in XMP. Easily.

If XMP is on it's last legs like so many of you say, why bother instilling doubt in the people who play it since you now know there is "something better" on the horizon? Seems like alot of people realize that they will for a fact play UTXMP and are therefore bringing up facts about XMP that suck as a ways to say "f u and good bye and good riddance." Just let us play these final few months without knocking the crap out of the game. That too much to ask?

 

[BooGiTyBoY]

My first and only post in this thread.

1) To Free Monkey: I hope your project is a success. Good luck.

2) To all those who are complaining/whining/orhassomeothergayassproblem about XMP going on UT2k4 as a TC: It's that kind of attitude that may make you want to rethink the definition of "Game". The way some of you people get worked up over this you'd think someone kicked your puppy. Go outside... look around.. and try to spot yourself a clue. Way to support the game community as well.. (Oh, I'm sorry I forgot... I guess 2k4 isn't YOUR community to support. but that's a whole other thread.. I'm not getting into that here...)

3) I like Counter-strike. Just got Condition Zero today

 

[Saito]

I find it rather disturbing to know that on virtually every single one of your posts you've made in the past few days or week, has revolved around the fact that you personally, can cheat in XMP. Easily.

Errmm, well with no cheat protection what do you think?

People posted that brining XMP into 2k4 will bring cheats into XMP. I posted that 2k4 has cheat protection XMP does not.

If it's ok to say

"omfg 2k4 has teh cheaters oh noes, thens they will cheat in teh xmp"

Then its fair to point out that 2k4 has cheat protection, XMP doesn't. To make the point even more relavent chew on this mantik.

2k4 not only has cheat protection... but PATCHES AND UPDATES. IE if they spot something borked, it can be fixed. If they find a cheat, they can give a security measure to fix it. Is that such a bad thing?

It seems like allot of people take moving XMP over as a slap in the face, and while it may or may not be there is allot to be said for and against it. Pointing out that 2k4 has a better master server, cheat protection, and atari support is not saying "OMG XMP is teh suck" as you seem to take it, and it's not "knocking the crap out of the game" as you seem to think it is. It's just pointing out things XMP lacked (for one reason or another) that it would have in a new setting.

Seems like alot of people realize that they will for a fact play UTXMP and are therefore bringing up facts about XMP that suck as a ways to say "f u and good bye and good riddance."

Not true. It's just part of this community is so damn deffensive that you can't say a god damn thing negative about XMP without them freaking out. It's not like people are pissing in your cherrios, don't cry.

XMP is a great game, but there are some major issues with it. Most of this stems from it not being supported at the time. That's nobodys fault but Atari's. 2k4 is supported, and as such does not have some of these issues. Pointing that fact out is not saying "OMG XMP is teh sucks haha" it's owning the problem, and thinking about it. If the port goes over well UTXMP has the chance to deal with all these problems. Why not talk about them?

Pointing out what xmp lacks that 2k4 has isn't a knock on XMP. It's poiting out what XMP would gain in that setting. Do you mean to tell me that you don't want.

1. Atari support
2. A stable master server
3. Cheat protection
4. Patches and updates
5. Better performance

Why would you not want that?

 

[Mantik]

Pointing out what xmp lacks that 2k4 has isn't a knock on XMP. It's poiting out what XMP would gain in that setting. Do you mean to tell me that you don't want.

I see your point.

 

[Lise]

And actually, porting XMP to 2K4 will get you new players; I know I'll be playing UTXMP a lot. The main reason I don't play right now is because XMP runs like a dog on my machine while 2K4 runs like butter.

 

[Twigathy]

The thing is XMP for 2k4 is going to be a little bit like XMP for u2: making moneh. Atari know that all of us will [probably] move over to 2k4.

Personally I'm no fussed about this, imho it will be a good thing once this is done and XMP gets a second life. Perhaps it should be called XXMP... extended expanded multiplayer

 

[Lise]

Atari has no role in this; it's a fan-driven initiative.

 

[MÆST]

gotta question: bot support?

 

[PETsnake]

saito is still posting here? he said goodbye to xmp in an emotional post (i got tk'd, cry cry cry, I can't play xmp, its not cool enough) like 2 months ago. i have clingons similar to that but i call them dingleberries.

 

[Dead_Metal]

I agree with Snake.

 

[Saito]

I have been playing off and on under alias.

Plus I play 2k4. So I would wager that qualifies as a reason to post in this thread. If I had a nickle for everytime I get flamed for no real reason, I would be a rich man.

Way to talk about the topic at hand snake, and for someone complaining about people, that post wasn't very intelligent either.

Moving on to real things and not just more flames.

gotta question: bot support?

While I don't know exactly what their plans are. Since 2k4 does have bots, I would imagine that even if it didn't, adding bots wouldn't be that hard to do.

EDIT:

My main question would be if tools are going to be released for the editor. XMP editor has the things needed in it. 2k4 doesn't, so if the mod/port is going to work, once it's out will there be an update of the editor.... ie so we can all use powersources and the like in the editor on our own to make maps.

 

[headwire]

This is a good thing. As one who has left XMP to play 2k4 I see no problem with this, at all. I find it funny, too, how the XMP community feels like is being deeply wounded by this conversion.

XMP has a **** engine. That is a main reason that a lot of people left, including myself.
2k4 has a good engine.

XMP has a lack of support.
2k4 has lots of it.

The list goes on and on. Saito is pretty much right in all of his posts in this thread, and if you people would stop being so defensive, stopped, and listened, you might realise the up side to this.

 

[shoptroll]

I agree with Snake.

I've been reading the community reaction on both INA/Ataricommunity and here.

This is the first time I've posted anything here in a while.

I'm not looking to keep the flamming going, but I honestly think you're a little burnt cause you're working on the cXp project.

I think before this, a community XP would've been a good idea. However, with the way things have been going for XMP I don't think it would've been enough.

XMP is in dire need of Engine maintenance. Not gamepay maintenance, not map maintaninence.

I have XMP and UT2004. I can play a UT2004 game with no problems and little lag, etc. Fire up XMP and its a mess.

I applaud Raptor and Free Monkey for finally stepping up to the bat and do this community what looks to be the best thing thats happened for it to date.


Now, as for the cXp. I can see why you might be somewhat ripped over the whole issue. You are afraid of losing your audience.

I wouldn't say that you are losing your audience. I would say they are switching to a different location.

My suggestion: continue work. Finish up the project as it currently stands. Wait to see if UTXMP takes off. If it does, port it. If not, don't bother with porting.

Honestly, both games are great. Having XMP in the UT2004 series is exactly the alternate game play that a lot of people have been looking for, which is why a lot of people continue to play XMP. I was very surprised when I got here to see that a bunch of people were adamant about not supporting this initiative.

If XMP is to continue to be played, it needs to evolve. Evolve or die, basic fact of life. XMP stands to gain a hell of a lot of things as Saito pointed out. A lot of which would only be possible if Legend were still around today. Of course if Legend were still around, the need to do UTXMP would be non-existant I would imagine.

That's my 2 cents on the whole issue.

 

[takwu]

About the bot thing... that'd be funny. XMP is so tactical, what are the bots gonna do?? a) Make up their own mind, or b) Listen to human teamates.
a) bot thinks:
hmm, nrg is low, I need to hack the gen. Our last arti just went by, hmm, ignore.
hmm, I'm hacking the gen since we have none, I'm 95% done. Oh no our 3rd arti got stolen, abort hack, pursuit carrier.
b) bot listens:
Player1 says "we need energy!" bot walks towards energy.
Player2 says "we need defense!" bot, 3 feet from unhacked gen, walks back to base.
Player3 says "follow me!" then wall dodges from Alcazar Cloud platform to the bottom, taking 20 health damage. bot follows, dies.

Ok, I can go on and on. But the point is, a bot is 10x worse than the biggest noob in xmp.

 

[harteman]

Just want to say this. Most should agree too. If it is good and I like it, I will play it. If its crap or plays more like UT than U2 i wont play it. If it performs like UT but feels like XMP, I'll probably love it. Until I am convinced, I'll be sticking with U2XMP.

Good conversion=I'll play

Change what I love=No dice

 

[harteman]

LOL at Tak's post!

 

[Mantik]

About the bot thing... that'd be funny. XMP is so tactical, what are the bots gonna do?? a) Make up their own mind, or b) Listen to human teamates.
a) bot thinks:
hmm, nrg is low, I need to hack the gen. Our last arti just went by, hmm, ignore.
hmm, I'm hacking the gen since we have none, I'm 95% done. Oh no our 3rd arti got stolen, abort hack, pursuit carrier.
b) bot listens:
Player1 says "we need energy!" bot walks towards energy.
Player2 says "we need defense!" bot, 3 feet from unhacked gen, walks back to base.
Player3 says "follow me!" then wall dodges from Alcazar Cloud platform to the bottom, taking 20 health damage. bot follows, dies.

Ok, I can go on and on. But the point is, a bot is 10x worse than the biggest noob in xmp.

It's funny cuz it's true

 

[Ausman785]

I've been reading the community reaction on both INA/Ataricommunity and here.

This is the first time I've posted anything here in a while.

I'm not looking to keep the flamming going, but I honestly think you're a little burnt cause you're working on the cXp project.

I think before this, a community XP would've been a good idea. However, with the way things have been going for XMP I don't think it would've been enough.

XMP is in dire need of Engine maintenance. Not gamepay maintenance, not map maintaninence.

I have XMP and UT2004. I can play a UT2004 game with no problems and little lag, etc. Fire up XMP and its a mess.

I applaud Raptor and Free Monkey for finally stepping up to the bat and do this community what looks to be the best thing thats happened for it to date.


Now, as for the cXp. I can see why you might be somewhat ripped over the whole issue. You are afraid of losing your audience.

I wouldn't say that you are losing your audience. I would say they are switching to a different location.

My suggestion: continue work. Finish up the project as it currently stands. Wait to see if UTXMP takes off. If it does, port it. If not, don't bother with porting.

Honestly, both games are great. Having XMP in the UT2004 series is exactly the alternate game play that a lot of people have been looking for, which is why a lot of people continue to play XMP. I was very surprised when I got here to see that a bunch of people were adamant about not supporting this initiative.

If XMP is to continue to be played, it needs to evolve. Evolve or die, basic fact of life. XMP stands to gain a hell of a lot of things as Saito pointed out. A lot of which would only be possible if Legend were still around today. Of course if Legend were still around, the need to do UTXMP would be non-existant I would imagine.

That's my 2 cents on the whole issue.

I'm not against Free Monkey for doing something to save XMP from fading away, but I am against how it's probably going to turn out. Unless someone that actually knows exactly what is going on (ie. a free monkey personel) can tell me that XMP is going to feel the same and be just as balanced as it is now, I don't want it. cXp was trying to do us a favor by giving improvments where they could to a community in need, and I applaud them for that. Free Monkey is going to make a whole new game that most likely won't be worth my money for 2k4. I can see why you think it's a great thing though, seeing as you already own 2k4....

 

[shoptroll]

I'm not against Free Monkey for doing something to save XMP from fading away, but I am against how it's probably going to turn out. Unless someone that actually knows exactly what is going on (ie. a free monkey personel) can tell me that XMP is going to feel the same and be just as balanced as it is now, I don't want it. cXp was trying to do us a favor by giving improvments where they could to a community in need, and I applaud them for that. Free Monkey is going to make a whole new game that most likely won't be worth my money for 2k4. I can see why you think it's a great thing though, seeing as you already own 2k4....

I belive someone from Free Monkey has already said in this thread that they plan to keep movement intact. I think they have good intentions, I really don't think anyone has anything to worry about.

(By good intentions, I mean I believe they've analyzed what comprises the 'XMP FEEL', etc. What else would they have been doing for 3 months before now?)

You can change stuff like playerspeed, etc in a mod, you know. Look at the movement in CS vs. movement in HL.

 

[headwire]

Exactadamente. If you took the time to read that handsome image I believe it says something along the lines of

"THIS WILL PLAY LIKE XMP, STOP WHINING". Yeah.