Welcome To A New America!!!!! (For the better even)
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That's definitely a bird.
If you can get to this video without a "general error" you can see the wings flapping and everything.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/vide...naug.blitz.gergen.obrien.cnn?iref=videosearch
The dudes on the other sites used a terrible quality version, probably to make it seem less bird-like by having it appear to go behind the monument when it's clearly about 20 feet from the camera. D:
If you can get to this video without a "general error" you can see the wings flapping and everything.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/vide...naug.blitz.gergen.obrien.cnn?iref=videosearch
The dudes on the other sites used a terrible quality version, probably to make it seem less bird-like by having it appear to go behind the monument when it's clearly about 20 feet from the camera. D:
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I don't think that'd be the case when he was first elected, but I wasn't here around 01. Although on further contemplation there'd probably be whining and saying he stole the election or something.
So you're saying things are exactly the same except we can make racist jokes about the president? I don't see a downside to that, unless you're in a black neighborhood - I hear they don't like it when you call other black people 'nipples'
Ladies and Gentlemen, this thread shall now be known as:
The Official Political Rant Thread!
Keep it in here, not in the other threads.
The Official Political Rant Thread!
Keep it in here, not in the other threads.
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
Okay, you did some research. Cool beans, but where in that spiel did your personal rights become eroded? Furthermore, how many US citizens' rights have been eroded by this legislation? In other words, how many US citizens have been wrongfully accused or jailed due to direct connection to the Patriot Act? While even one citizen being affected may be unjust, if they were exonerated, then the overall system works. If any are wrongfully detained still, what proof do you have that they were actually wrongfully accused or their rights trampled? I'm just asking for a simple answer, no need to keep drawing this out.
I'm glad to hear that part.
Guaranteed rights as a human being? The Constitution grants no such thing. It grants your rights as a citizen. And no, I do not take erosion of citizens' rights lightly nor do I approve. I just do not subscribe to abolishing the PA just because it isn't perfect. I believe the Government has the responsibility to protect our rights and should afford review and/or revision of such legislation in a timely manner. If that has not happened here, then the current POTUS and Congress, as well the sitting SCOTUS shall review and revise as necessary in order to fulfill that protection of citizens' rights.
Btw, nice little nasty stab at the military with your "collateral damage" remark. Seeing how that is my job, I take offense. We do our utmost best to keep that to a minimum, but in the fog of war, sh1t does happen and when it does, it ain't pretty.
Oh, boo hoo hoo, gays can't marry each other in most states. Cry me a river. Or, they can relocate to states that do allow gay marriage. I am much more comfortable allowing individual states to make that determination than the Federal Government in that respect. I'm for repealing any federal law or policy regrading marriage and relegating to its rightful place, in the hands of the states.
Anyway, we could keep dancing here but it is quite tedious for me.
This argument is pointless if you don't see any problem with passing legislation that is in direct violation of the Bill of Rights. I've said time and time again that it doesn't matter whether you personally were affected by it, what matters is what the wording of the act does. If the government is allowed to pass laws with no regard to what the Constitution proscribes their powers to be, it will only end in abuse. This is in accordance with history. This is why the Supreme Court rules many laws as unconstitutional -- they were passed, they were used to violate somebody's rights, and they got challenged and overturned because they are not legal.
The Supreme Court can overturn them, and that's great. But it does not excuse the fact that they were passed in the first place, by people who have sworn to uphold the Constitution. If you don't want to hold them accountable for violating that founding document, that's your choice. But I don't let those abuses slide. I guess if a dog ****s on your couch, it's fine as long as you scrape it up.
Crotale said:
"Oh, boo hoo hoo, blacks can't use the same bathrooms as whites in most states. Cry me a river. Or, they can relocate to states that do allow integrated facilities."
Lizard Of Oz
Demented Avenger
The so-called human rights are the following.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html
...And some wonder why I'm grumpy when it's said that the UN is useless.
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I have never bought into the Patriot Act hook, line and sinker, however, I still believe that some action needed to be taken. As time progresses and we have fewer incidents, these laws have been or will most likely be revised, expired or rescinded. As for whether they should have been passed in the first place, I'm borderline on that. I agree that some of the legislation may (operative word) have implications of eroding personal freedoms, but I have heard of no major cases or reportable number of such cases.
If you look at this from the point of view that a warrant is always needed and the accused notified upfront, then cops would never be able to act on probable cause. Fact is though, that all wiretaps and such had legitimate warrants placed shows that the PA was not as bad as many make it out to be. Yes, the possibility for abuse is greater with the PA in place than without it. Seriously, there is much more to this discussion than I feel is warranted here.
And the fact that blacks no longer have to endure such treatment is proof that gays can overcome this obstacle as well. Until the majority of Americans feel that gay rights and marriage is important to them, you will not see much new legislation supporting these causes."Oh, boo hoo hoo, blacks can't use the same bathrooms as whites in most states. Cry me a river. Or, they can relocate to states that do allow integrated facilities."
I would like to believe that, but given the history of law in the US I somewhat doubt it. Sodomy laws, for instance, were in place in many states right up to 2003 before they were invalidated by the supreme court -- and even still some have not been repealed, they're just unenforceable. Given that an extension of the PA has already taken place, it would seem to be on a similar track.
I simply harbor an extreme distrust of governments granting themselves excessive powers, because it's easy to see that leading to disaster multiple times over in the history of the world. I feel that values are meaningless if they are discarded when they are tested. But this clash of ideas is what the country is about, so.
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This is factually true, yes. But the point is that justice shouldn't have to wait for the majority to stop being prejudiced. I think it's sad that this nation has overcome so much and yet is still hampered by the same sorts of things. I don't believe that the majority is right simply because it is the majority -- that's mob rule. Remember integration had to be forced on people; they had to bring out the national guard to protect those first black children going into a formerly segregated school. The majority didn't care about minority rights until they were forced to. I don't want to see that repeated.
Regardless, It's a basic impasse of ideological differences, so. I don't agree with your opinion, but I can respect it, and that's it for me on these subjects.
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No. 502: Get his daughters a puppy
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LOL, I was referring to the US Constitution. To the best of my extremely limited knowledge, the UN Charter has little, if any, authority in the US.
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