People hate the trans in vctf because vctf fans are vehicle fans. They don't want someone on foot to be able to accomplish anything against them in a vehicle. I disagree on most counts, but a trans is too powerful against a goliath.
VCTF: I LIKE IT!
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Well, durrr. Just make the goliath as fast as a scorpion and have its shells explode with a 'deemer explosion. Problem solved.
The Goliath is too powerful for VCTF to begin with. It's much more fun when you can do some work on foot, too, without getting blown to bits or run over every 20 feet. I love vehicles, but after playing VCTF with and without the trans, I can't see why people would want to play without it.
Trans would be ok in ONS to the extent that it's a lot like UT99 DOM, with the action centering around control points. But ONS is its own gametype, while VCTF is still basically CTF.
Trans would be ok in ONS to the extent that it's a lot like UT99 DOM, with the action centering around control points. But ONS is its own gametype, while VCTF is still basically CTF.
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Me, make smartass remarks???!??!? 
I used to not like the xloc in vctf, but after playing with it for a while, it can work out; it adds a new element to the game, certainly, but I just learned to deal with it (for instance: it's nice to have a hilighted landing zone for my manta.) It might also help bridge the gap for ctf players.
I used to not like the xloc in vctf, but after playing with it for a while, it can work out; it adds a new element to the game, certainly, but I just learned to deal with it (for instance: it's nice to have a hilighted landing zone for my manta.) It might also help bridge the gap for ctf players.
hoverboard mutator!Sir_Brizz said:I probably agree with you on all those reasons you disagreeTrans belongs in VCTF for the same reason it should be in ONS, which is that traveling on foot sucks goat balls.
Just my opinion:
Light vehicles were designed to catch heavier vehicles (which are meant to carry the flag)... Then Manta runs were found out, people began to miss the trans, and the gametype got ruined...
I think VCTF should have a whole new set of vehicles, a set of vehicles oriented to carrying the flag, and not focused in attacking and defending like the ONS vehicles are. IMO each VCTF vehicle should have a different ability/way to carry the flag, but none of those abilities should be camping... I don't think camping is fair, although it's true that killing a tank is not so hard, a fragrun ruined just because the tank spawned at the right moment is not a good thing... Leave camping for weak pedestrians!
Of course, all those things (manta runs, tank camping, etc...) can be balanced by thinking a good map layout, but it's too much to take care of...
Light vehicles were designed to catch heavier vehicles (which are meant to carry the flag)... Then Manta runs were found out, people began to miss the trans, and the gametype got ruined...
I think VCTF should have a whole new set of vehicles, a set of vehicles oriented to carrying the flag, and not focused in attacking and defending like the ONS vehicles are. IMO each VCTF vehicle should have a different ability/way to carry the flag, but none of those abilities should be camping... I don't think camping is fair, although it's true that killing a tank is not so hard, a fragrun ruined just because the tank spawned at the right moment is not a good thing... Leave camping for weak pedestrians!
Of course, all those things (manta runs, tank camping, etc...) can be balanced by thinking a good map layout, but it's too much to take care of...
I deffinately agree. Vehicles are not ment for capturing the flag much, an the tank in agressive is WAYYY to dominant when Ladder people play with it. It gets very irritating. I remember when i started to play VCTf, some people were able to capture the flag with the hellbender on a full server. It was a long time ago...
Sir_Brizz said:I probably agree with you on all those reasons you disagree
Grab a vehicle, jump on a vehicle, or wait to teleport.
briach said:
I think I played an Assualt map where the vehicles were a snowboard/hoverboard. The alternate movement was a flip stunt and you could "jump" kinda like the manta. The movement seemed fairly balanced...I'd have to look in my assault maps to find it...
Wardad71 said:
I'd like to confess some ignorance or a poor choice in verbage regarding DM not requiring "skill" - or "mindless fragging". Fragging (not spamming) requires a LOT of skill. Since I wasn't that good at it to begin with....that's probably why I knocked it.....Hey! Maybe that's why some people knock VCTF or manta runs??? Just a random observation. Have a nice day!
Hi, I've been playing vctf longer than 99.8% of people in UT and i can confidently say that it requires a larger skill set than any other gametype (im experienced in all of ut's gametypes) , and yet, even the newest player can still contribute to their team.
I played vctf for 6 months before manta runs were invented, and im positive that manta runs were the best thing that ever happened to vctf.
And to those people who whine and complain about how its unbalanced and vehicles have the advantage over humans, i lol at you because any half-skilled player can kill a vehicle. It is much harder to kill a person that is good on foot than to kill a person that is good in a vehicle in vctf (with very few exceptions).
I played vctf for 6 months before manta runs were invented, and im positive that manta runs were the best thing that ever happened to vctf.
And to those people who whine and complain about how its unbalanced and vehicles have the advantage over humans, i lol at you because any half-skilled player can kill a vehicle. It is much harder to kill a person that is good on foot than to kill a person that is good in a vehicle in vctf (with very few exceptions).