UT2003 Troopers Cancelled
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Apart from everything else, we have an example of very poor team management here---especially on part of the team in these recent events, ironically.
From a diplomatic point of view already it's an utterly bad idea to send somebody an ultimatum that leaves them with no other choices than either to fight or to go down with a bang; especially somebody emotionally attached to the project and known to make public drama out of it as BadKarma.
The letter itself speaks volumes about the amount of frustration that must have built up in the team below BadKarma's leadership. Obviously BadKarma has done something fundamentally wrong in his position to remain oblivious of all the grudges held against him until faced with a hostile letter from his entire team. Team structures where the leader reserves the right to determine the team's entire course at his own discretion generally only work out either if that right is never invoked or if binding legal contracts and proper payment is involved.
From a diplomatic point of view already it's an utterly bad idea to send somebody an ultimatum that leaves them with no other choices than either to fight or to go down with a bang; especially somebody emotionally attached to the project and known to make public drama out of it as BadKarma.
The letter itself speaks volumes about the amount of frustration that must have built up in the team below BadKarma's leadership. Obviously BadKarma has done something fundamentally wrong in his position to remain oblivious of all the grudges held against him until faced with a hostile letter from his entire team. Team structures where the leader reserves the right to determine the team's entire course at his own discretion generally only work out either if that right is never invoked or if binding legal contracts and proper payment is involved.
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They've basically conjured up a PR nightmare for themselves now, two days before the release of the mod. Way to go.
they pretty much lost the main ppl that know bk and worked with him before and know what kinda person he is. From what i read on the forums, the planned it all from the beginning. Once the mod was at a certain point they kick him and they get the glory and if possible enter a contest for money.
Looks like the team wont work in this community anymore, ppl are already boycotting the mod. I rather have those ppl boycotting riaa instead of a mod, but hey whatever floats your boat.
Looks like the team wont work in this community anymore, ppl are already boycotting the mod. I rather have those ppl boycotting riaa instead of a mod, but hey whatever floats your boat.
beta_aquilae said:
Obviously there's no love left at all between the team and its leader.
But look what they actually "blackmailed" BadKarma with: with releasing "all information regarding the wrongdoings made by [BadKarma] to the public." That this "threat" is enough for BadKarma to do their bidding is interesting enough in its own right.
Sending a letter like that was probably the worst thing the team could have done in this situation, even if they had no love at all left for their team leader BadKarma. The fact that they didn't have the foresight to at least prepare a comprehensive team statement to present to their fan base doesn't help at all. Individual team members putting off inquiring fans with vague statements about "time zone problems" makes a poor substitute for that.
BadKarma obviously went through this whole project with the attitude that it was his alone, granting others merely the opportunity to pour their own hearts (to lend a phrase of BadKarma's) and working hours into it without any say in what happened to it. With nothing to lose except the public recognition the mod's release may have given them, the team was virtually cornered by any of BadKarma's decisions that they thought threatened the mod.
This whole situation is home-made by BadKarma himself.
RaptoR said:
...and they're not even handling it well. After working for months (years?) with BadKarma they should have been able to anticipate the course of events after facing him with such a situation.
beta_aquilae said:
Not that I believe a word of this (do you? why? who made that statement, to start with?), but it's symptomatic of the "PR nightmare" the Troopers team have navigated themselves into.
Ulukai said:
Who cares?
There are better ways to tell him he's a bad leader then "**** off, we're taking over the mod"
BlAcK_PlAgUe22 said:There are better ways to tell him he's a bad leader then "**** off, we're taking over the mod"
What if they tried, and BadKarma wasn't perceptive to any of them?
The only way they can approach breaking themselves out of this rut is by releasing a quality mod on Monday. If Troopers appears and it sucks, then they'll be screwed.
the other thing to keep in mind is that this team signed on under there own free will to do this for free. If they had a problem with it they could have just left the team at anytime and BadKarma would have found someone else. If the whole team had just decided to leave instead of stealing the mod from BadKarma then BadKarma most likely would have came out looking bad.
and by the way, I suppose Beyondunreal.com wont be mirroring or supporting this mod in anyway for now on?
and by the way, I suppose Beyondunreal.com wont be mirroring or supporting this mod in anyway for now on?
tool said:
Why on earth should BeyondUnreal take sides in a mod's internal squabbles, let alone by a petty gesture like not mirroring the mod's files?
i don't know who to side with. on the one hand, bk must have done something to deserve this. on the other hand, the team seems to be a bunch of jackasses to handle things that way.
either way, making a big deal out of this and trying to ruin the mod was very childish of BK.
and i am glad that BU is not taking any sides in this.
either way, making a big deal out of this and trying to ruin the mod was very childish of BK.
and i am glad that BU is not taking any sides in this.
i read the the whole posts of the "she said he said stuff" this morning on jpf. and from what i read, and what bk said, they had to the 14th to finish the mod for epic contest, and enter it by the 15th cause that was the end date. Plus ghost enigma wasnt doing a very good job of making the team look good with the stupid answers.
beta_aquilae said:
They could easily have waited for the deadline of phase 2 (October) or even phase 3 (early next year) of the contest.
am i wrong in assuming that badkarma's statement implies that they will be taking all of badkarma's imput out of the mod? all of his creations/whatever?
then surely, you cant complain about him being treated unfairly, because if they remove all of his work, then they have inface, simply all left the team. there is nothing stopping bad-karma from finishing "his" mod.
surely what the "former team members" do with their own work is their own perogative?
then surely, you cant complain about him being treated unfairly, because if they remove all of his work, then they have inface, simply all left the team. there is nothing stopping bad-karma from finishing "his" mod.
surely what the "former team members" do with their own work is their own perogative?
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That's kinda what I thought. Also, BK kept bringing up "3 years of work" yet they seemed to remove "all of his work" easily. Removing his work didn't even delay the mod. :/