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Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Scythe, Jan 26, 2002.

  1. Crazy_Ivan

    Crazy_Ivan KAR whore

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    Only easy tank is a T-72/T-80 with the fuel tanks on it's back... if you are lucky the stuff will ignite and run into the engine compartiment
     
  2. mbs357

    mbs357 olol

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    The best way to take care of tanks is to submerge them in a viscous liquid.
    Such as Jello.
    Preferably the darker kind, this will impare vision.
     
  3. Spier

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    Those tanks are primarily used to add extra range, there are internal tanks as well. Usually the external ones are jettisoned when they expect contact.
     
  4. 5eleven

    5eleven I don't give a f**k, call the Chaplain

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    I just dug out an old Winchester 1200 12 gauge that I had put away in a not-so-good place. It's not in the best of shape, and I need to tear it down and put some TLC back into her......trouble is, I can't remember how to tear it down beyond removal of the magazine cap, and barrel. I've been screwing with 870's and S&W 300's for so long, I can't seem to get the bolt or forend released. Anybody got a GOOD link for a manual or field strip instructions? I just can't seem to muster enough energy to look through 15 years of American Rifleman to see if there's a diagram in one of those. :D

    I'd also be interested if anyone would know of a good place to get a nice black synthetic stock for her. I've got a pressure activated SureFire mounted on a replacement synthetic forend.....but I need a nice stock.
     
  5. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    I just got a scope for my air rifle. It's a piece of **** (simmons 4x15), but I kinda like it anyway since it was almost free. Now I am having some issues of which I'd like to know if it's for all scopes or just on mine:

    1a) I can't set up a focus, the only way to do it is using my own eye which does require some concentration.
    1b) From very close it is very hard to focus, would it be even harder if it would be a 6x or 8x scope?
    2) When the sun is in my back, I see my own eye and it's harder to see anything
    3) It's sometimes very dark (espescially in places where there is no sunlight)

    So again, which issues are generally there for all scopes and which are there only because mine is a piece of ****?
    Also, which should be implented in INF (now that we are at it anyway ;)) and which should not?

    I noticed myself that I just couldn't misalign the rifle. So it's not like in INF at all (like I expected) but it is extremely hard to keep the rifle steady (like I already knew) and the best way to hit was to make small circles and time my shots... Feedback on this (is it me or is this a fact, and again what about INF)?

    Last thing, when I jerk my trigger instead of concentrating and shooting, my rifle will go down a bit. I have a heavy trigger (no safety on this air rifle), but is this the case on fire arms as well?

    Thanks for answering, any feedback would be appreciated.
     
  6. flamingknives

    flamingknives New Member

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    Pull hard on the trigger on any weapon and you'll mess up your shot.

    Scopes:
    Usually you can adjust the focus by twisting the rear lens holder/gizmo/thing. This isn't always obvious. Most scopes I've used have a minimum focus distance of 5-10m. Stuff closer than this will be difficult to focus on. Usually when this happens you can have the target or the crosshairs in focus, but not both.

    Getting close to a scope, even on an air rifle, is a good way to get a black eye. Scopes are designed to have an 'eye relief' (I think that's what it's called), which means that your eye is meant to be up to 3" away from the rear lens. This may be the reason for your focussing problems.

    I'd expect reflection problems when your eye is brightly illuminated and the scope is comparitively dark, rather than when the sun is behind you.

    If the objective lens (the one at the front of the scope) is fairly small, you'll have light gathering problems, meaning that the image will be dark. If the objective lens is larger than the rear lens, you'll end up with an image that is brighter than you percieve the light conditions without the scope. A 15mm objective lens as described is very small.

    Holding the rifle steady on target is difficult, and few people can do it. The trick is to gently apply pressure on the trigger every time the crosshairs are on target. Eventually, the rifle will fire when you are on target. Remember to hold your breath while aiming, as the torso movements caused by breathing will really throw your aim off.
     
  7. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    No that's not the problem, I just can't adjust the focus at all so I need to use my eye's-focus :p
    I keep my eye from the right distance since not looking through it from the right distance means you don't see much. I think it's 3inches, but it could as well be 2. My air rifle doesn't have any kick :)() because of a system in it, not sure what.

    Could very well be it, I'll run some tests I guess.

    Ah, well no wonder then. Thanks. Again, my scope is REALLY bad, the objective lens is alot smaller. It's not a problem when shooting outside but when looking through the scope inside (when there is no sunlight) it is kinda dark.

    I'm a pretty good shot, but I can't hold my rifle steady nor shoot well when I hold my breath. I find it alot easier to try and make small oval's (is that a word? circles that aren't exactly round) then trying to time my shots: either right after I have taken a breath I will be at the top of my oval and I can fire. I haven't missed a target yet, but when holding or controlling my breath I'm not that comfortable anymore.

    Well thanks for the info. As for that trigger thing, I actually meant the triggers being hard to pull (because I also fired a few other rifles and pistols and they were extremely easy to pull, in fact I once accidently pulled a trigger. Still hit the target though :p), not the rifle moving after you jerk it. Thanks again though.
     
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  8. flamingknives

    flamingknives New Member

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    Alternative:
    Line up on target, roughly, then exhale and try to fire in the first 5 seconds or so after releasing all your breath. Try and old it too long and you end up waving the rifel around all over the place. Ideally, the sights should drop into place just as you finish exhaling. Some people find it easier to slowly drop the crosshairs through the target, time the shot so you fire as you cross the centre.

    A heavy trigger will throw your aim off. Some air-rifles have a screw either just behind or just in front of the trigger that can be used to adjust the weight of the trigger pull.

    Actually, you shouldn't pull the trigger. You should squeeze it through the break, so you apply increasing amounts of pressure until the rifle fires.
     
  9. Rostam

    Rostam PSN: Rostam_

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    That is kinda what I do now, flamingknives. After the first 100 shots I had very good instinct of how far I could pull it before it would actually fire. I'm pretty good at it now, but every once in a while I will expect it to fire and nothing happens. That is always scary, but then half a second later I will actually fire after getting my aim back at top of the oval.
     
  10. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    Not true. The Coast Guard HITRON unit uses them.
     
  11. Gnam

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    Burst Modes

    I have a simple question about how burst modes work, and I think I'm going to regret questioning the way Inf does it, but I've seen so many variations, that I can't really be sure any more.

    The way Inf does burst modes for most weapons (ie: SIG, MP5) is, basically it's the same as auto, except it cuts off after the 3rd shot. If you release the trigger before the 3rd shot, it only fires as many rounds as you squeezed off (ie 1-2). After each trigger pull, it resets, so you can fire up to 3 rounds again with the next pull of the trigger.

    Then, there is way Inf does the burst for the M16A2; the major difference being that if you release the trigger after only 1-2 shots, then the next time you pull the trigger, it picks up where it left off on the last burst (ie if you fired a 2 shot burst previously, then the next trigger pull only gives you 1 shot). While I am inclined to assume this is correct simply because it's the way Inf does it, I read somewhere that this feature was unique to a Korean copy of the AR-15 (the K-8 or something like that) so I was wondering.

    Then there is the way 90% of other games do burst mode, where when you pull the trigger, it continues to fire all 3 rounds regardless of how long you hold the trigger down. Suprisingly, even America's Army does it this way. You might assume that if the US Army game does it, then it would be right, but I have learned that if most games do things one way, and Inf does it another, then Inf is probabably correct. It also occurs to me that perhaps in US Army doctrine, you are trained to always hold the trigger for the duration of the 3 shots, and to never squeeze off less, if you are in burst mode, so there could be some truth to this method, even if it isn't technically accurate to the weapon itself. But, I don't know.

    So I'm asking someone who knows; which one of all these methods is correct?
     
  12. ravens_hawk

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    INF is always right!
    But seriously most burst weapons "reset" the counter after each trigger pull. The M16 (IRL) due to a technical flaw/whatever doesn't. AFAIK (again IRL) most weapons with burst only fire as long as you pull the trigger. IE if you release after one or two rounds on say an MP5 it will only fire the one or two rounds. Chances are most games either assumes you hold the trigger down for all three, don't want to confuse players with odd technical features, or most likely are too lazy to code something in that most people don't know about.

    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm 99% certain this is true, it's been discussed before...

    On a side note isn't it generally a bad idea to keep one finger on the trigger while reloading?
    I noticed this on the M16A4 animation and wonder if its a "feature" or something someone missed or didn't care about (not that I care really but you know...)
     

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  13. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    Yes, Ravens (and Infiltration) is (are) correct.

    Though I would say that most games don't get bursts wrong because they're lazy; they get them wrong because they're too lazy to do some goddamn research.

    And you are not supposed to leave your finger on the trigger during reloading. The G3 is gas operated. I'm closing this thread.
     
  14. DEFkon

    DEFkon Shhh

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    Not a weapon technical question but has to do with weapons in general.

    A friend and i thought it might be fun to go to a shooting range and check out the whole "gun thing". Thing is neither of us have any experince with firearms, or know anyone that does. I did a little research and found a public range online not that far away that offeres a bunch of courses including a Basic Firearms Safety Course. http://www.americanfirearmsschool.com/

    Before i get commited though i just wanted to run this by some of the community and ask if this place seems overly priced or what i should be looking for in finding a range or where to get a start, or just what i should be asking. At this time i really just trying to find a place where i can learn the basics and determin if it's something that i'd enjoy spending my time and money doing. If it is, i'm really only looking to maybe go do some shooting something like once or twice a month, nothing serious or expensive so i doubt buying a gun would make any sense and would probably only rent, unless theres serious reasons why i should avoid rental.

    Any advice the community can offer would be welcomed.
     
  15. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    I'm sure Zundy, 5.tacticalpants.11, meplat, or one of the other resident gun nuts can offer you advice in your gun nuttery aspirations. In the meantime, check out www.thehighroad.org. Just watch out for people screaming liberal and conservative a lot. If you can ignore obnoxious, stupid shit like that, it can be quite informative.
     
  16. Zundfolge

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    DEFkon, that place does seem a little pricey ... most ranges are around $10/hr or less for range time (and if you live close to any National Forrest land, you might have a free outdoor range there). Edit: Oh ... you're in Mass? if so then there's not a lot of places to shoot there ... not the most gun friendly of states. here's an excellent resource for finding ranges http://www.nrahq.org/shootingrange/findlocal.asp

    Arethusa is right, there's lots of information over at The High Road ... he's wrong about the "people screaming liberal and conservative a lot" ... the moderators run a pretty tight ship over there to keep the obnoxious stupid **** down.
     
  17. Arethusa

    Arethusa We will not walk in fear.

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    I really can't agree with that. I've been lurking over there for weeks, and without hyperbole, I think about two out of every three threads have some shouting something about evil liberals or glorious conservatives. When it explodes into big obnoxious debates, yes, the moderators crack down on it (and while I normally can't understand why a forum would lack an OT board, this is one case where I very quickly figured out why), but it's the general culture of obsessive dichotomy and willful ignorance that I simply can't abide. I'd like to think I'm getting non-representative cross section of firearm enthusiast culture (or, on a more ideological level, people who believe in the right and necessity of free peoples to be armed), and that may be, but in all my experience, if it is inaccurate, it's only inaccurate in that it's uncharacteristically restrained and mild on THR.
     
  18. DEFkon

    DEFkon Shhh

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    Thanks for the link Zundfolge, it's actually the one that i used to find the place i mentioned cause it's the only in the area that's a public range. There's actually one or two places listed that are a bit closer, but it says they're private clubs so that doesn't sound entirely inviting for a complete new-comer to the scene thats trying to investgate a new hobbie.

    So what exactly should i expect an eight hour BFSC to consist of? They offer the ability to take course online which leads me to think there's probably 7 hours or so of reading and paper work. I wondering if the material would be easier to digest at leasure while online, or if it's something that having a instructor available to ask questions of would be more valuable?
     
  19. Zundfolge

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    Arethusa, you must only be talking about the "Legal and Political" section because 90% of the forums are technical. There are more "cop bashing" threads on THR lately then anything else (and quite a few Bush and Republican bashing threads as well ... a pretty big Libertarian presence there). Based on what I've seen of you in these forums you're pretty far to the left of most of the guys there so you're probably more sensitive to it all. Democratic Underground may be more your speed (not meant as a flame or anything, just an honest assessment). There was an OT forum called "The Round Table" but Oleg felt it was causing some "mission drift" for the site as a whole so they moved it off site to here.

    Basically they will start in the classroom and go over firearms safety, a history of firearms, firearm safety, basic differences between firearm types, firearm safety, basic firearms handling, firearm safety, basic marksmanship and firearm safety. I bet about half the time will be classroom, half the time will be range time. Any BFSC that doesn't give you any trigger time is pretty much worthless.

    Expect the class to be geared toward people who have never shot a gun before. The classroom stuff is pretty basic so don't sweat it, if you're pretty much a "gun noob" the instructors can make digesting the information a little easier (and they will more then likely be extremely friendly and helpful ... their goal is to get as many people involved in shooting as possible).

    The CCW class I took was basically the NRA Basic Pistol class with additional stuff to cover self defense law and carry issues ... it was 3 days, the 3rd was a day at the range. Each of us got an individual instructor (that was pretty cool).
     
  20. DEFkon

    DEFkon Shhh

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    Well i went down and visited the place i mentioned and they seemed pretty friendly ( though i was kinda taken back that the guy at the desk only had one leg. ) I asked him about the course and he basically said it consisted of basic knoledge, handling & storage, cleaning, how to go about getting your license - i guess they already give you all the paper work you'd need to give to the local police, as well as trigger time at the end of the class with a .22

    I signed up for the course even though i thought it was a little pricey. But it was balanced out cause my boss gave me some extra cash towards it - Turns out he's got his CCW (which i guess in MA takes some doing ) and is a gun nut himself, so i think he just wants someone in the shop to talk or possibly shoot with and the other guys are sorta anti-gun types so that's pretty cool. Anyhow i'll let you guys know how it goes. Hopefully i'll have a good time, even though my friend who i planed on taking the course with for fun ended up chickening out last min.
     

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