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OK thanks, i hope thats right, im doing something stupid and making some "uncle leroy" ammunition extra hot.
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Sorry, didnt see the edit b4 i posted, good thing I didnt make it yet. Think i should get a kevlar vest to wear while testing the load?
Googling for "7.62 vs 308 length" suggests that there are some minor differences:
http://www.fo.com/cr-files/cr-308.htm
http://t6aluminum.tripod.com/Load308Win.htm
but I really haven't the foggiest as to what would/wouldn't make your rifle explode.
Bleh. Don't even know why I posted to start with. I wouldn't have if I was awake.
http://www.fo.com/cr-files/cr-308.htm
http://t6aluminum.tripod.com/Load308Win.htm
but I really haven't the foggiest as to what would/wouldn't make your rifle explode.
Bleh. Don't even know why I posted to start with. I wouldn't have if I was awake.
BH- Exact? As in you're doing neck turning, or approximate? Also, what load are you cooking up? Bullet weight, powder, primer, etc.. I handload for the strange stuff in the collection, and have been handloading for close to 20 years.. Let me know, and I may be able to save you some pain..
Bullet Weight : 113
Bullet Type : RN SP (Hornady)
Bullet Diameter : .308
Powder Manufacture : IMR
Powder Type : 4227
Powder Weight (Grains) : 16.8C
Primer Manufacture : Federal
Primer Type : Small Rifle
Brass Manufacture : Mixed Headstamps
Velocity: Unknown (Untested)
And this is only an approximate preliminary drawing which i hope to improve.
Oh, and I found the case length for a correctly-made .308 WIN: 51.18mm (2.015")
Bullet Type : RN SP (Hornady)
Bullet Diameter : .308
Powder Manufacture : IMR
Powder Type : 4227
Powder Weight (Grains) : 16.8C
Primer Manufacture : Federal
Primer Type : Small Rifle
Brass Manufacture : Mixed Headstamps
Velocity: Unknown (Untested)
And this is only an approximate preliminary drawing which i hope to improve.
Oh, and I found the case length for a correctly-made .308 WIN: 51.18mm (2.015")
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That's a VERY light load for the .308 Winchester. Without checking it sounds like a .30 Carbine load.
(I checked. that IS a .30 Carbine load. A hot one.) Normally 4227 is used in handgun, and shotshell reloading (the .30 USC is well within the "handgun" category for reloading, and TPC's) I'd hesitate to use that light a powder charge in a .308W case for fear of either sticking the slug in the bore, or generating a secondary pressure excursion.
In checking my old notes, my favorite load for the 7.62 NATO was a 168 grain Sierra Match King, atop 41.0 grains of 4895 using M118 brass.
(I checked. that IS a .30 Carbine load. A hot one.) Normally 4227 is used in handgun, and shotshell reloading (the .30 USC is well within the "handgun" category for reloading, and TPC's) I'd hesitate to use that light a powder charge in a .308W case for fear of either sticking the slug in the bore, or generating a secondary pressure excursion.
In checking my old notes, my favorite load for the 7.62 NATO was a 168 grain Sierra Match King, atop 41.0 grains of 4895 using M118 brass.
Well thank you for the tip, i might just do that and add a wee bit extra powder, i have a friend who wants to shoot something with a fair ammount of kick so i was planning on making a hot .308 and seeing what he thinks when he fires and gets a nice sharp tap on the forehead from the scope.
And one thing i cant decide is if a hot .308 from an old Browning BLR would kick more than a hot load from an old Remmingtom bolt .30-06, i just dont want to give him a few shreds of shrapnel to brag about at the airport.
And one thing i cant decide is if a hot .308 from an old Browning BLR would kick more than a hot load from an old Remmingtom bolt .30-06, i just dont want to give him a few shreds of shrapnel to brag about at the airport.
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BH- Weigh the rifles in question. Measure the surface area of the buttplates. The lighter rifle, with the smaller buttplate will have the greater percieved recoil with an equivalent load. If the Remmy is really old, and a lightweight, it'll stomp him. the BLR's tended to be on the heavy side for a lever gun.
The only trouble im having with that is: Last time i was out shooting them (9-30-04) I had a light magnum in both guns and the kick was about the same with the exception that the .308 has a slower dull pain kick and the .30-06 had a fast, sharp kick. But one difference in the shells was: the light mag. .30-06 still had room for powder, think if i loaded it full the case would split?
Red is closer to infrared... makes it easier to see it with IR-type nightvision goggles.Derelan said:
if you use a full IR region laser, the red dot won't be visible for the human eye and doesn't alert someone to your presence
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Right, that's the Metal Storm technology. The bullets are stacked on on top of each other in each barrel and ignited sequentially in a manner similar to that used in a fireworks mortar, producing extremely high rates of fire but poor accuracy.
Is there a name for loading one round in the chamber and a full magazine below? As in insert magazine, pull back bolt, unload magazine, put an extra round in it, reinsert (thus giving you magazine capacity +1 round). Do police forces or armys (armies? sp?) ever do this?
I nearly wet my pants when I found it was possible in INF. Such a well thought out mod this...
I nearly wet my pants when I found it was possible in INF. Such a well thought out mod this...
Topping off. ie topping off the weapon, etc. It's generally done in military forces (every little bit counts), but not so much with police for a variety of reasons ranging from poor training (there are lots of police officers who don't even know what they carry) to poor equipment, etc.
I can only speak for myself and those I know in Law Enforcement - we always top off, with the exception of a duty shotgun which is never carried in condition 1, "hot". They are always carried in condition 3 - magazine tube loaded, action uncocked, safety off.
Seconding 5 eleven. "Topped off". Another term I've heard is "piped", as in "Seven in the mag, one in the pipe".
The "condition" code is old school. (Jeff Cooper's school, to be precicise)
One, is "cocked and locked", that is a round in the chamber, and a full mag inserted with the hammer, or striker cocked. Basically a "ready to fire" condition, with the deactivation of minimal safes.
Two is a round in the chamber, a full magazine, and the striker, or hammer in a lowered position. Weapon will require either a pull of the trigger (if a double action firearm) or the cocking of the hammer to be fired.
Three is a clear chamber, a full magazine, and the hammer or striker in a lowered position. Weapon will require chambering a round in order to fire.
The "condition" code is old school. (Jeff Cooper's school, to be precicise)
One, is "cocked and locked", that is a round in the chamber, and a full mag inserted with the hammer, or striker cocked. Basically a "ready to fire" condition, with the deactivation of minimal safes.
Two is a round in the chamber, a full magazine, and the striker, or hammer in a lowered position. Weapon will require either a pull of the trigger (if a double action firearm) or the cocking of the hammer to be fired.
Three is a clear chamber, a full magazine, and the hammer or striker in a lowered position. Weapon will require chambering a round in order to fire.
Yay! I'm officially old skool! 
Right on Meplat, however, with the shotgun, our condition 2 is a slight variant. Probably because I've not seen a double action pump shotgun.
condition 2 is the same as 1, but thumb safety engaged. Condition 4 is completely empty. Generally, I hate to refer to them in "conditions", but we pretty much throw 2 and 4 out the window......... at least with the shotgun, because you can basically go from condition 3 - 1 and back from 1 -3 bypassing 2 and who the hell even considers 4, unless you're cleaning.
Right on Meplat, however, with the shotgun, our condition 2 is a slight variant. Probably because I've not seen a double action pump shotgun.
condition 2 is the same as 1, but thumb safety engaged. Condition 4 is completely empty. Generally, I hate to refer to them in "conditions", but we pretty much throw 2 and 4 out the window......... at least with the shotgun, because you can basically go from condition 3 - 1 and back from 1 -3 bypassing 2 and who the hell even considers 4, unless you're cleaning.
Can anyone tell me what militaries are employing the Robar RC50? I did some quick searching, but oddly, if you Google Robar RC50, about all you get are BU/Infiltration links.