I never said it was crucial. It’s a freakin’ debate. You assume a position and express your opinion about the position you’ve chosen.ReD_Fist said:
Religious/Evolutionary Debate Thread
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[GodVoice]Comandment 11: Thou shalt never debate over politics or religion, for opinions are like a$sholes, everyone hath one.[\GodVoice]
EDIT: During a debate such as this, one has to ask him/herself. Am I trying to instill my beleifs on someone else, or am I just trying to prove that im right?
Without 100% solid proof, there is no way of proving oneself completely, therefore leaving room for doubt. Which leaves us with pushing beleifs...
EDIT: During a debate such as this, one has to ask him/herself. Am I trying to instill my beleifs on someone else, or am I just trying to prove that im right?
Without 100% solid proof, there is no way of proving oneself completely, therefore leaving room for doubt. Which leaves us with pushing beleifs...
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We make decisions based on what we think is right. If one side presents an argument that sparks the imagination of a person on the other side, that can lead to them researching the matter further. This can lead to them changing their viewpoint completely.
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ViSion said:
It's a freakin' debate. If we all agreed, it wouldn’t be much of a debate.
I said this before somewhere in this sea of replies, but since you talk about not having room for a god, I'll mention it again. I believe we are not alone in this universe. That there are many other civilizations out there, some far more advanced than we are. Out of all these civilizations, there is probably one that is the most knowledgeable. Out of that civilization, there is probably one being that is the most knowledgeable and can do more than the other beings.
It’s like apical dominance in trees or plants. Some trees, like an oak tree, just grow outwards in all directions like a bush. Others, like a northfolk island pine, tend to have a branch that wants to be higher than any other branch, like a Christmas tree.
If you want to call this apical being god, then I believe in a god. I think there is a being in our universe that is superior to all other beings.
ViSion said:
The god I just described, my god, doesn’t make promises or tell about future events. But it’s possible my god could if it wanted. Does this make your god better than my god?
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Speaking of cows, I was watching a show the other night that showed how similar some creatures are, as if they evolved from a common ancestor.
It was a show about cattle mutilation and how people suspected aliens were responsible. They thought the aliens were doing research and said that cattle are very similar biologically to humans. They said that the aliens may have missing pieces of human DNA and they use cattle DNA to fill in the gaps; something like Jurassic Park.
I’m not going to say I believe aliens are responsible, and I don’t see why they would need to fill in missing DNA with cows, but I thought it was important that cow DNA is very similar to human DNA.
They said we are so similar that cow blood can be used in place of human blood in an emergency.
It was a show about cattle mutilation and how people suspected aliens were responsible. They thought the aliens were doing research and said that cattle are very similar biologically to humans. They said that the aliens may have missing pieces of human DNA and they use cattle DNA to fill in the gaps; something like Jurassic Park.
I’m not going to say I believe aliens are responsible, and I don’t see why they would need to fill in missing DNA with cows, but I thought it was important that cow DNA is very similar to human DNA.
They said we are so similar that cow blood can be used in place of human blood in an emergency.
Mister_Prophet said:
I like how you put in there "aspects" of evolution,see you don't believe that crap either.
And if I did evolve from one cell,God created the cell.
evolution just aint fact,and it's rediculas,you guys can't explain anything because you can allways hide around the fact that the earth is 200000000trillion years ago like just because of the timespan is a lame reason,
fossil this fossil that,,,still havent found all the mid term evolutants,no fossils either,just darwin and a bunch of people doing carbon traces on things,God sure gave us alot to learn.
But you see, trying to explain things to you is like a father trying to explain to his 4-year-old son why the car broke down. The kid says stuff like the car should go because it has gas in it. It’s far more complicated than that.ReD_Fist said:
There are all sorts of things wrong with your comment. We didn’t evolve from one cell. I’ve said this over and over. It took a hell of a long time for evolution to finally make a cell. Evolution started way before the cell with stuff like amino acids, and even before that.
The earth is not 200000000trillion years ago. That’s hyperbole. It’s about 4.6 billion years old.
We don’t have to find ALL the “mid term evolutants” to have a theory of evolution. You want to talk about “rediculas” that’s ridiculous. There is a ton of fossil evidence that’s been found, and that’s still being discovered, that supports evolution. But you don’t bother to check into all that. You just spout off about crappy fossil evidence without doing any significant research into the matter.
Darwin wasn’t doing ” carbon traces.” But one of the things he did do was research on an island that was not inhabited by humans; an island where the animals were isolated. This spawned his evolutionary theory. But the theory of evolution was around before Darwin. Another notable aspect is that most scientists don’t really agree with Darwin’s theory exactly. They believe in a modified version of his theory.
And it’s not called “carbon traces.” It’s called carbon dating. Living things take in carbon-14. This includes things like trees from which we get wood and paper, etc. When things die, they stop absorbing carbon-14. The carbon-14 that was in the wood, or the bones of a skeleton, now starts to decay at a predicable rate. It’s this rate that gives us an idea of when the thing existed. Once you get past 50,000 years old, carbon-14 can’t really be used because the decay process is near the end of its usefulness. But we can use similar decaying methods to date things older than 50,000 years. For example, the uranium 235 isotope has a half-life of 704,000,000 years (turns into lead-207). It takes that long for half of it to decay into lead. But you knew this because you read up and all this stuff.
One last thing: “alot” is not a word, it’s two words “a lot.” Try to find “alot “ in the dictionary. While you’re at it, maybe read up on fossil evidence and geology in some books.
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"One last thing: “alot” is not a word, it’s two words “a lot.” Try to find “alot “ in the dictionary. While you’re at it, maybe read up on fossil evidence and geology in some books"
Qualth brings out the big guns.
Qualth brings out the big guns.
evolution is fact.
animals evolve over time to counter predators.
plants evolve and develp defences to counter predators.
animals evolve over time to counter predators.
plants evolve and develp defences to counter predators.
Coca plants evolve to become resistant to herbicides. Though the strain was spread rapidly by farmers, it developed naturally.
one of the biggest problems we have right now is bacteria evolving to be resistant to antibiotics. we are using all this antibacterial soap, cleaners, etc. on everything, they claim to kill 99.9% of bacteria. the problem is the 0.1% grows back completely replacing the original amount of bacteria, except this type obviously survived the antiboitics so it is less effective next time.
make no mistake, this is 100% evolution. bacteria that is vulnerable to the antibiotics dies, that which lives reproduces because there is suddenly plenty of resources for them left behind by their weaker dead counterparts.
make no mistake, this is 100% evolution. bacteria that is vulnerable to the antibiotics dies, that which lives reproduces because there is suddenly plenty of resources for them left behind by their weaker dead counterparts.
How stuff works has an article about evolution:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution9.htm
They talk about mice taking a long time to evolve, but i've heard of mice evolving into a new species quite quickly; like in 7 generations, or something like that. Maybe that was due to extreme environmental change.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution9.htm
They talk about mice taking a long time to evolve, but i've heard of mice evolving into a new species quite quickly; like in 7 generations, or something like that. Maybe that was due to extreme environmental change.