One song....what's the name???

[Frostblood]

Amanda- i think women are equal to men in everyway except maybe sheer size and physical strength, and i'm sure they excel over men in many ways. there would probably be less war if more women were in political power.

Hmmm...I was thinking about that. I dont think there would be less war under the current political system because for a woman ( or anyone ) to get into power she would have to be a certain type of person. Women arnt the same as men, they have evolved differently to perform different roles in society. That doesnt mean that women should stay at home cooking all day at all, but it is something to think about...

 

[Ulukai]

Actually, women's brains have more 'links' between the two sides, so they are better at carrying out two tasks simultaneously.

Men's brains are more suited to correctly executing a reverse park manouver

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Vendetta
i think women are equal to men in everyway except maybe sheer size and physical strength, and i'm sure they excel over men in many ways. there would probably be less war if more women were in political power.

Now that's nonesense. Do you live in a kind of fairy-tale world? Who do you think has the task of raising children usually (in the whole world and history that is)? Who do you think sends young boys into war? The fathers? Yeah, right.
I recently saw a docu about the recent war in Afghanistan... there was a story about a number of Pakistani from a small village who went to Kabul to fight for the Taliban... and one guy said those men who didn't want to go in the first place where pressed by their wifes and mothers to 'do the honourable thing' and a wife expressed how proud she was of her man fighting in the 'holy war' - so much for peacul women...


PS: I admit to not having understood a single word they actually said and having to trust the interpreter. Maybe it's a ploy.

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Ulukai
Actually, women's brains have more 'links' between the two sides, so they are better at carrying out two tasks simultaneously.

Men's brains are more suited to correctly executing a reverse park manouver

Damn! That means I am a woman after all! And I had been certain...

 

[Frostblood]

Hmm...my theory is that women are capably of just as much warring and violence as men, but are motivated to do it for different reasons.

 

[Amanda]

I believe that society has a perception of women as staying at home to cook, clean, and raise the kids and then make love to the husbands when they come in from work. Our role may have been that 20 years ago, but its 2001, and it's not our role anymore, at least, not mine. Just because men are looked at as the "dominant species", doesn't mean that they are the only ones elligible to perform ruler tasks. I believe that if women were given the chance to rule our country, that no one would be sorry, and we'd see that our country is a better place, and the government's interest and money is placed in things that we really need more or less of. Like for instance, cleaning up the roads.

 

[BangOut]

Thanks. We are better off now that you've made your point.

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Amanda
I believe that society has a perception of women as staying at home to cook, clean, and raise the kids and then make love to the husbands when they come in from work. Our role may have been that 20 years ago, but its 2001, and it's not our role anymore, at least, not mine. Just because men are looked at as the "dominant species", doesn't mean that they are the only ones elligible to perform ruler tasks. I believe that if women were given the chance to rule our country, that no one would be sorry, and we'd see that our country is a better place, and the government's interest and money is placed in things that we really need more or less of. Like for instance, cleaning up the roads.

Hah. Let me tall you a thing: We got some nice surveys concerning womens' position in jobs... like, over 50% of good positions are in the hands of men... BUT! If you take a look at the age distribution you see that the majority of these job is in the hand of OLD people, who're in the business for over 50yrs. Among the employees under 30yrs the women actually hold over 50% of the 'better' jobs. But still laws favour women employees like, in a case where a man and woman are equally suited for a job, the woman is to have it. I don't see any need for that. Companies don't care about ppl, so they don't care about gender as well. There may be a few areas that are a 'men's domain' but that is often for a reason. For some jobs you need a strong worker and there aren't many muscular women running around looking for work as building worker really.

Seriously, I don't see women disfavoured in general.
As for the position... if women want to spend decades with hard work, fine. But having a job isn't really JOY. It's a necessity for most people.

Nice Avatar btw... cute and fitting UT at the same time.

 

[Jeremy Read]

Guess what having a women lead doesn't sort out a thing. The important thing is that you have some one that can think for themself leading. New Zealand, England and other countries which I'm not going to bother searching up at the moment have had female leaders but in the case of many of them it has not helped a bit.

 

[oosyxxx]

Women: Why Don't They Just Lose Some Weight?

 

[Vendetta]

Claw-women have absolutely no say in Afganistan. so how can they possibly have an influence in sending their sons and husbands to war?

 

[Frostblood]

Because not all the taliban are as ultra-fanatic as the leaders, some of then respect their wives wishes. Most of them surrendered anyway : if they were so fundamentalist, why didnt they welcome death and the 50 virgins it brings ( or something )

Guess what having a women lead doesn't sort out a thing. The important thing is that you have some one that can think for themself leading. New Zealand, England and other countries which I'm not going to bother searching up at the moment have had female leaders but in the case of many of them it has not helped a bit.

Thatcher : the worst leader britain has had in the last 50 years ( apart from Nevill " The Nazi lapdog" Chamberlain. )?

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Vendetta
Claw-women have absolutely no say in Afganistan. so how can they possibly have an influence in sending their sons and husbands to war?

Pakistan; and obviously you miss the point about ideas and RealLife(tm)
In principle women in general hadn't much say anywhere at any time, but there have been some women with power known in history... now how's that possible? Because just 'cos they may not vote or have legal rights doesn't mean they have no say. Wives bullying their husbands isn't an invention of emancipation, don't you think?

As for Afghanistan, women sure where bad off under the Taliban, but I don't think that was much of a difference for the poor starving people in the country, and I guess some men weren't SOO happy exactly either.

I noticed Some women still wear this burka btw... why do you think? Because it's so comfortable? And why do women in Pakistan wear it? There is such a thing as female fundamentalists.
Besides, women are generally believed to have less power than men in Isamistic nations. But I've heard there are some special right protecting wives really... they can even demand to be divorced under circumstances, and the man has to pay maintenance or something like it.
So it's really a matter of point-of-view. We deem ourselves more free after giving up clear positions, but it's a matter of philosophy... in the Islam (and actually Christianity too, I believe) men and women have clear positions. That's how it has been in most societies since humans exist.
And I ain't too certain our 'free' system is really so much 'better'
Besides which we aren't truly free. There are still bonds that aren't visible but still hold most of ppl thighter than bonds of steel

 

[Frostblood]

And those bonds are also the only thing that stops people murdering at will. Anarchy's bad, mmmmkay.

 

[Claw]

Originally posted by Frostblood
And those bonds are also the only thing that stops people murdering at will. Anarchy's bad, mmmmkay.

I wasn't talking about law. And I covered the Anarchy topic in the What are you? thread

 

[lucifix]

Originally posted by Frostblood
Hmm...my theory is that women are capably of just as much warring and violence as men, but are motivated to do it for different reasons.

i think women are more violent. ever watch a cat fight? they try to ****ing mame each other. as men usually just try to dominate each other.........

 

[GoldenMouse]

I feel that men and women ARE equal, though each gender excels slightly more in different areas. Men are stronger, but women are slightly smarter on average and have a slightly better life expectancy (though this could be environmental, seeing as the people dying of old age are old [what a leap] and thus lived during a male dominated [hence more guys working rough jobs] era.) I would love to see a female president, but I am afraid that if we do in the near future, when women are assuming roughly the same positions and numbers as men in politics, she will be elected based upon her gender, and NOT upon merit. The concept of male-domination really only existed in a few cultures in the days of yore, but those cultures managed to spread more than the equitarian cultures. Feminism is a great thing in my mind, for it's ideal of equality, but I absolutely detest the extremists in the group who aren't pushing so much for equality, but for female domination. Hopefully before long, the ideals that feminism stands for will be mainstream thought, and the remainder of the group are the anti-men people. It sounds awful, but the day that feminism as a movement is analogous to chauvinism is the day things have been set aright, when people are judged upon merit, not gender.

 

[Amanda]

Originally posted by oosyxxx
Women: Why Don't They Just Lose Some Weight?

Men: Why Don't They Give Women A Break?

Why do most men seem to think that if a woman isn't perfect in every way (looks-wise), that they're not good for anything? That is a biased comment. Women are the ones who carry children, and we gain weight, and then you guys expect us to stay at home, cook for you and the kids, clean, ****, and lose weight so that we're back down to a perfect size 2? Maybe this outlook is why our world and country sucks.

 

[QUALTHWAR]

Yes, but….. men are handicapped too. Our egos won’t allow us to ask for directions, so we have to drive around until we find the place.

 

[Vendetta]

i see men and women as equals. a country shouldnt be run by a woman becuz she's a woman. i simply meant that men are much more war like. it comes from the animal kingdom. males fight over females. as humans we just amplify everything.

i agree that the persons own merit, gender excluded, should be the deciding factor in whether they would be good leaders.