Originally posted by The_Fur
it works perfectly as the red team on siberia, 2 or 3 covering the front entrance, the rest covering the right entrance to the spawn. No amount of rushers will ever get trough when positioned properly.
Ok, because i love that map i'll repond. I assume by the front you mean the hallway leading to the snow path and stairway down. And the right side being that room with crates.
Actually, i have absolutly no idea how you could be successfull. It is too easy to nade those areas. If the guys in the front guarded right up close to the stairs they would get slaughtered from the snowpath and ramp room. There is no way to really cover that area. If they sit back close to the spawn.. Nades. Pop a 40mm or 2 up from the stairs. That is very simple and you won't have to show yourself to the enemy. In fact, 1 guy tosses a frag and the other does a 40mm.. Then attack. No need to attack the side room at all, just overpower that inital group and you will win. The side room guys will be confused and not ready for an attack from that side. And then the issue of them being very easily surrounded will add to the confusion. Which you could easily do, the surrounding i mean.
I can't think of what you are talking about, not because i can't think of a good defense, but because i can't think of a way that i couldn't beat that defence. Same deal with blue.
But in any case, back on topic:
"Group camping" is a really poor tactic. Against good players it won't win. Against your average player on pubs it might.
There generally isn't enough players to really cover a map. You will always get attacked from behind or the side. And 1 guy covering each side will only get the other 3 guys dead. Espically with the auto weapons. Letting 1 player guard 3 others lives is suicide. I don't even do it in clan matches, and i trust my clan as much as i could trust any player.
You can't judge "team tactics" from playing pub games. A pub game isn't a team game. Clan matches are where the team aspect of the game is defined. And i'd love to see a clan bunch up in a map and use "group camping." It would be a slaughter, not in the camping teams favor. Individual camping is a diff story. Good players can hold a position w/o another players help. Espically something like a long hallway, ie: dockside. But an offence can always find a way to beat a defence, that is why you aren't bunched up into groups. If you are, and they find a hole in your line, you all gunna be dead because you are slacking off and relying on someone else to keep you alive. And they always will find a hole in your line. usually with frags and 40mm..
Again, i can't emphasize enough the lack of a "team" in a pub server. Unless you have played clan matches, you haven't really played as a real team. And 1 man CAN take out a group of campers w/o using frags or 40mm.. It is a simple process of picking one guy off and running away. Just repeat, the time you wait between attacks will only make the "group" more on edge. And when they are nervous about playing, the play poorly. If anyone would like a demonstration on how 1 guy can take out 5, i could show you
Although this only applies to larger maps like peru. People who camp in cqb are just helpless and don't deserve the time of day.
And since someone pointed out leaning and proning, i'll just say that they are both STILL bugged. Just not nearly as bad. I have shot through leaning/prone players, clanmates have, friends have. Just thank god not many people use either.
And, for the last time, a good player, if camping, won't die to a damn rusher. Rushers are so easy to kill if you are sitting behind a damn box. If you can't kill a rusher when you have cover, you need more practice. Don't flame, when it comes down to it, it is the truth. I can cover a doorway all day long and no rusher gunna get past me, not if i'm paying attention. And if you are trying to beat a rusher, and you don't have cover, you have much to learn
I think my statements are pretty accurate due to the amount of time i've been in a clan and how much i've played with that clan. I've played against pretty much every clan out there and i've seen everything from newbie m16 acog/m203, black camo campers in dockside in the big building to hiding wherever possible to make the round end on a tie to everyone rushing like mad to try to gain an advantage. I've seen what works and what does not. And no offence to anyone, but if you haven't been in an active clan for a month or so, you really don't have much of a concept of how to utalize a team in a game of inf. By active i mean a clan that participates in a league. I've played in clan scrimmages and they are just a place to play with the better players in public game style (rambo).
I've got a 6 pack and nothing to do..
