DM-FromHell

[Bazzi]

Yeah, hal, true to that, it's the same **** over and over. Mapper X opens a thread "I've released <insertrandommaphere>!"

Now 1/2 of the community (guess what part) is ass-kissing, the other half is critisizing...

He should expect that when opening such a thread and a comment like "Oh <insertcritisizmposterhere>, you are here, I'll leave the thread now!" does sound like he wants ass-kissing.

No offense to Angelheart, I like the fact that he tries to do everything himself when making a map, but that doesn't make the maps better than they're.

 

[Angel_Mapper]

some stuff

There's a difference between criticism and telling someone to stop making multiplayer maps. The latter is just rude.

 

[DavidM]

Tonnberry is right there....
Angelheart is pretty much clearly stating that he doesn't give a **** about gameplay, so dm-something is the wrong thing to do.... :<
As tonnberry said, make a matinee presentation or something.
As playable maps his stuff is a pure dissapointment.


Rachel, YOU know how much bad playing maps hurt me

 

[TossMonkey]

Nobody is wrong here, both DavidM and Tonnberry are correct, but so is Angelheart too.

Angelheart, your maps look good, but the gameplay sucks nuts. DavidM & Tonnberry, you guys are always critical and this whole ganging up in a thread thing is kind of childish.

 

[hal]

Angelheart is pretty much clearly stating that he doesn't give a **** about gameplay, so dm-something is the wrong thing to do...

Why is that wrong? No one has to pay for them. Everyone knows pretty much what to expect going in. Why try to change the inevitable? You're beating your heads against a brick wall.

There's no DM handbook that prohibits anyone from making pretty damn near anything they want.

 

[DavidM]

You have no point there...
I am not complaining, but this is a feedback thread, aint it?

Or are we only allowed to complain about maps we paid for?

 

[hal]

No, you can complain about anything you like, I suppose. I don't think Angelheart posted it as a feedback thread so much as an announcement. I dunno though, you'd have to ask him.

I'm only saying your criticisms are falling on deaf ears. Why continue?

 

[Sir_Brizz]

this thread makes me want to search my underwear for skidmarks!

 

[spineblaZe]

Well no offense to that. He can do whatever he likes. I just dont see any rational meaning in naming this map DM-whatever. Ok it's the easiest way to make a graphic demo playable. But there is still matinee.

Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm no mapper. But don't you HAVE to name a map something? Like DM-whatever, CTF-whatever or BR-whatever? Well it certainly isn't Bombing Run. I would think the classification of "DM" best suits this map.

Oh does the same thing count for "If you don't like Bush being president of the USA then just don't care and you'll be fine when he nukes your home" ?

What in the hell are you talking about? I don't see how your statement correlates with not downloading or playing a map. You are comparing apples and nuclear weapons.

No one reads readmes. That's why they are called "readme".

That's a gross generalization. Hanover simply pointed out that Angelheart already admitted to all the things you were criticizing about the maps gameplay. In my opinion it's pointless to criticize something that is already public knowledge.



And for the last part of your post:

I really don't see why it should bother anyone what I do, or the way I do it.

Then why dyou post threads to show stuff made by you?

The only thing I can say about that statement is

This is an UNREAL message board. This is why we come here, to discuss UT2K3 and find new maps and mods. If nobody ever released or publicized their maps we wouldn't ever know about them, would we? We would all be stuck playing stock maps 24 hours a day. What a dumb question.

I don't know about you, but I post threads to show things I make all time. Like my computer and my 1337 jack-0-lantern for instance. Why do I post them? Shameless self pimpage of course.

 

[WebSlinger]

OMG Spine, your JACK-O-LANTERN SI TEH SUCK!!!! How DARE you call it a Jack-o-lantern! It doesn't even have a face!! Please stop carving jack-o-lanterns and from now on, just carve "decorative gourds" cuz your lack of tradition it is soo offensive!!

"Vee muß shtop heem. He muß only do vaht I vant and zee vay I vant, or I vill hät heem foreffer!"

(for the record, yes I know how to properly conjugate the verb "müssen")

 

[master_newbie]

angelheart should join some realism mod teams, or just make conversions of his maps for them

his maps are perfectly suited/playable for mods like face off, frag ops, domain etc.

 

[pine]

Tonnberry's a great mapper and his opinion is valid. It doesn't make any sense for AngelHeart to make DM maps, seriously. I would say the same thing. I played AChina all of twice; sure it looks great, but it's a pointless map. He should be making SP maps for a mod, or something of that nature if he wants people to actually play his maps. On the other hand, maybe he just doesn't care. It's not my perogative to speculate his motives, but when you make a DM map that has absolutely no gameplay, you shouldn't get PO'd when somebody mentions it.

The simple fact that this thread exists would indicate that he's looking for feedback, since the map was already posted in the news on the BU front page. So we're giving it. If I were a leet mapper I would always try to improve my skills. It seems to me that making some attempt to incorporate gameplay isn't an unreasonable thing to suggest. He could be doing much better things mapping for a mod, or getting hired, or whatever. :>

There's also almost a knee-jerk reaction at this point because UT2003 is already hip-deep in maps, user-made and official, that look awesome but play like crap. Sure it's AngelHeart's creative outlet and he should do whatever the hell he wants, but again... when you post a thread, you're implicitly asking for suggestions and you can always just ignore the ones you don't like.

And on a related note, where the have all the oldskool mappers gone in this game?

 

[Shuriken]

And on a related note, where the have all the oldskool mappers gone in this game?

A lot of them got hired...

 

[hal]

Actually, Pineconeboy, the news post on the main page was because of this thread. This one was first, and mainly *it looks to me* to announce the map so people could download it. He didn't send in anything to news@.

Perhaps that is the source of confusion.

 

[Tonnberry]

There's a difference between criticism and telling someone to stop making multiplayer maps. The latter is just rude.

If you don't like his maps, don't download them, and don't play them online. Simple really.

I think the best way to complete this line is to say "If you don't like my posts then dont read 'em". Unfortunately humans are curious...

Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm no mapper. But don't you HAVE to name a map something? Like DM-whatever, CTF-whatever or BR-whatever? Well it certainly isn't Bombing Run. I would think the classification of "DM" best suits this map.

No prefeix would be the best.

What in the hell are you talking about? I don't see how your statement correlates with not downloading or playing a map. You are comparing apples and nuclear weapons.

That's the funny thing about sarcasm. Moreover it's a great rhetorical tool to exaggerate, just to make things clear.

That's a gross generalization.

Hey but it's true.

Why do I post them? Shameless self pimpage of course.

Word.

 

[NeoNite]

Well I have to be honest, the main reason I like Angelheart's maps are for the looks, not gameplay. That's.. well.. pretty obvious really.
They stand out imho.
But playing games on them is eh.. a no-no most of the times. Maybe his maps demand a different style of gameplay, I'm not sure. They don't really work in dm...

(the only "playable" ones so far are traitorsgate and rorkesdrift...)

I'd sure love to see Angelheart make maps for a single player game.

Fromhell looks good, but I can't imagine ever playing dm on it though.

 

[SkaarjMaster]

"Well I have to be honest, the main reason I like Angelheart's maps are for the looks, not gameplay. That's.. well.. pretty obvious really.
They stand out imho."

I agree.

FromHell was a nice setting to play in, but the realism just misses the mark when the windows don't break. Good map besides this though.:tup:

 

[Sir_Brizz]

Hey what do you know, I found some skidmarks!!!

 

[WebSlinger]

TMI, brizz... TMI...

 

[Sir_Brizz]

what does that say about this thread?