the question i wanted to know was wether a pci-2.0 card will work in a pci 16x slot,more or less are they backwards compatible
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PCIe x16 has to do with the Physical Layer of the standard. 99.99% of all video cards are PCIe x16 regardless of PCIe 2.0, 1.1 or 1.0.
There are four Physical Layer standards. x1, x4, x8, and x16 (Think of AGP 2x, 4x)
BUT the slots where the card plug in are typically different sizes depending on the PL. A PCIe x16 card wont fit in a x1, x4, x8 slot, A PCIe x8 card wont fit in a x1, x4 slot, etc..
Only on rare occasions, such as older SLi setups, the x16 slots can be lowered to x8 speeds due to stability.
x16 & x8 are primarily for Video cards, x1 & x4 are for sound cards, capture cards or basically anything else that you would normally stick in a PCI slot but the manufacturer has updated to the new PCIe standard.
In conclusion...
Any PCIe 2.0 x16 card would work in your mobo as long as it has a x16 slot regardless if it's 1.0, 1.1, or 2.0 as the cards themselves are backwards compatible. (Think usb 2.0 devices on usb 1.0 or 1.1 computers.)
You won't get all the speed benefits of 2.0 on a 1.0 or 1.1 board, but it will work.
-Vlad
There are four Physical Layer standards. x1, x4, x8, and x16 (Think of AGP 2x, 4x)
BUT the slots where the card plug in are typically different sizes depending on the PL. A PCIe x16 card wont fit in a x1, x4, x8 slot, A PCIe x8 card wont fit in a x1, x4 slot, etc..
Only on rare occasions, such as older SLi setups, the x16 slots can be lowered to x8 speeds due to stability.
x16 & x8 are primarily for Video cards, x1 & x4 are for sound cards, capture cards or basically anything else that you would normally stick in a PCI slot but the manufacturer has updated to the new PCIe standard.
In conclusion...
Any PCIe 2.0 x16 card would work in your mobo as long as it has a x16 slot regardless if it's 1.0, 1.1, or 2.0 as the cards themselves are backwards compatible. (Think usb 2.0 devices on usb 1.0 or 1.1 computers.)
You won't get all the speed benefits of 2.0 on a 1.0 or 1.1 board, but it will work.
-Vlad
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Now that was detailed. I needed to drink a few more beers to understand it. Or maybe a few more cold pills. LOL.
What Vlad said...
I have buds running x16 video slots on their mobo but have 260gtx or 280gtx cards and yes, they will work that way...As Vlad said, 2.0 has more bandwidth than other 'sizes'. You just won't get the full compliment of bandwidth in a '2.0 slot' if you don't have a 2.0 compatible card...
Now I need some of those pills, cuz I don't drink...
-- Flaw
I have buds running x16 video slots on their mobo but have 260gtx or 280gtx cards and yes, they will work that way...As Vlad said, 2.0 has more bandwidth than other 'sizes'. You just won't get the full compliment of bandwidth in a '2.0 slot' if you don't have a 2.0 compatible card...
Now I need some of those pills, cuz I don't drink...
-- Flaw
I think i want to build from the ground up.....Check out these specs and tell me what you guys think....
I added some links....
DVD DRIVE-SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171
CASE- XCLIO Godspeed Two Advanced Fully Black Finish 0.5 mm SECC / ABS Plastic
ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103025
HDD-Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098
MOBO-ASUS M3A78-T AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131331
VID CARD-EVGA 512-P3-N973-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435
RAM-OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G10664GK - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227362
CPU-AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773
OS-Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
PSU-SIGMA SHARK SP-635 635W ATX12V V2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817226002
Remember guys im on kind of a budget.....Dont be too harsh but tell me what you think!
I added some links....
DVD DRIVE-SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171
CASE- XCLIO Godspeed Two Advanced Fully Black Finish 0.5 mm SECC / ABS Plastic
ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103025
HDD-Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136098
MOBO-ASUS M3A78-T AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131331
VID CARD-EVGA 512-P3-N973-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435
RAM-OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2G10664GK - Retail-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227362
CPU-AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773
OS-Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
PSU-SIGMA SHARK SP-635 635W ATX12V V2.01 SLI Ready Power Supply -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817226002
Remember guys im on kind of a budget.....Dont be too harsh but tell me what you think!
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I didn't look but just make sure your mobo will support the PC8500, else it will be overkill...
HDD, and I've been promoting these for some time, even in this thread somewhere, but the WD 640gb, which were on sale last week for $59.99 on Newegg, are very nice...They are on a dual platter system and get speeds just as good as some of the higher priced hard drives...Good bang for the buck...I'm running 2 in RAID 0 and one 'on the side' as I picked one up last week when they were on sale...
Pennies...
-- Flaw
HDD, and I've been promoting these for some time, even in this thread somewhere, but the WD 640gb, which were on sale last week for $59.99 on Newegg, are very nice...They are on a dual platter system and get speeds just as good as some of the higher priced hard drives...Good bang for the buck...I'm running 2 in RAID 0 and one 'on the side' as I picked one up last week when they were on sale...
Pennies...
-- Flaw
Well, this fawking sucks... I think I just blew my vid card. or my processor. Now I,m just pissed. Was playing a game heard a loud noise and my screen went black. Taz, WTF is it?
Ok, tried booting up... big pop/short circuit. took out the vid card, won't boot. Got power to my mobo (all lights are on).
Need help.
Ok, tried booting up... big pop/short circuit. took out the vid card, won't boot. Got power to my mobo (all lights are on).
Need help.
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Ugh, got another card you could throw in there for testing purposes?...Prolly get the old 2 or 3 beep when trying to boot without video...That sucks bro...Hate to hear that...
-- Flaw
-- Flaw
I assume you already tried another monitor. Otherwise, it probably is either your mobo or vid card.
Yes SS, the monitor is on and displaying "stuff" (RGB **** and what not)
I'm also starting to think it's the mobo cuz now it just wont power up.
I'm also starting to think it's the mobo cuz now it just wont power up.
You probably blew the mobo. If you have lights on the mobo it doesn't mean it's good. If you have pressed the power and nothing turns on (processor fan, Power Fan, and south bridge fan) it's mobo. The power switch is connected to the mobo and if you aren't getting anything fired up...MOBO is done. Processor could be gone too but you won't find that out until you get it installed in a new one.
Sounds like we need to do some trouble shooting to narrow down whats wrong.
Another possible item could be the Power Supply.. Even if you have power to your Mother-Board one of the 12V Rails could have blown. Its a ANTEC 850 and odds are its fine.
Dev is there another PC you have access to in order to check a few items? Brother, Mom, Kas, Friend??
If so you should test your Graphic Card in it and see if it Post to the Monitor..
It it doesn't post thats your culprit, if it does post then odds are your Mobo blew something. Do you still have your Old (AGP) Mobo and Graphic card? Test them in your rig to rule out the Powersupply.. You get the idea.. Rule items out first, good news is your Mobo is probably still under warranty and you wasn't Over Clocking or anything..
Another possible item could be the Power Supply.. Even if you have power to your Mother-Board one of the 12V Rails could have blown. Its a ANTEC 850 and odds are its fine.
Dev is there another PC you have access to in order to check a few items? Brother, Mom, Kas, Friend??
If so you should test your Graphic Card in it and see if it Post to the Monitor..
It it doesn't post thats your culprit, if it does post then odds are your Mobo blew something. Do you still have your Old (AGP) Mobo and Graphic card? Test them in your rig to rule out the Powersupply.. You get the idea.. Rule items out first, good news is your Mobo is probably still under warranty and you wasn't Over Clocking or anything..
I checked it up and you're right Taz, it's still under warranty
3 years for Asus mobos.
That's a nice relief... I know that was a top of the line board..
