Cliff B Tweaks PC Gamers Over MIA Bulletstorm Demo
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The game that is going to be the best game this year, if not of all time. 
Also, put Cryrek as an other company that back stabs PC, cause they just ignore PC to announced an exclusive demo for XBL. Looks like they will follow Epic's business plan of consoles first (no, I didn't base it all from BS demo and Crysis2 demo, but from the similarity of recent history and behavior of the two companies).
Also, put Cryrek as an other company that back stabs PC, cause they just ignore PC to announced an exclusive demo for XBL. Looks like they will follow Epic's business plan of consoles first (no, I didn't base it all from BS demo and Crysis2 demo, but from the similarity of recent history and behavior of the two companies).
The game that is going to be the best game this year, if not of all time.
Lol so sure
And anyway wasn't Crysis 2 aimed at consoles in the first place?
It's a 360 exclusive demo. MS gave them a moneyhat.
Gotta love how the people who make the best selling PC OS that the majority of gamers use is constantly undermining that same platform to boost their console.
This is why I roll my eyes every time they talk about recommitting to PC Gaming.
The proper PR statement would be that it is aimed for a simultaneous multiplatform release, for current gen consoles and PC. Now, whether the goal internally is to give all of them the same focus, is a different story...
Every post in every thread involving Bullestorm should be replaced with this.
Gearbox can actually make good PC games.
I wonder whyThe game that is going to be the best game this year, if not of all time.
Also, put Cryrek as an other company that back stabs PC, cause they just ignore PC to announced an exclusive demo for XBL. Looks like they will follow Epic's business plan of consoles first (no, I didn't base it all from BS demo and Crysis2 demo, but from the similarity of recent history and behavior of the two companies).
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54456
So, what was the last big console game Blizzard released?
Man, I wonder how those guys stay in business, putting games out on that ****ty PC platform that doesn't make enough money.
I also heard that Valve is filing for bankruptcy, given that their primary market is PC and, you know, PC is such a terrible market with no money in it, and all that damn piracy.
Smart people don't buy **** games. Smart companies don't make **** games and then wonder why nobody buys them.
Crytek made a game that was, admittedly, extremely pretty, but the combat was dull and it ran like a turd. And people don't like buying turds.
Man, I wonder how those guys stay in business, putting games out on that ****ty PC platform that doesn't make enough money.
I also heard that Valve is filing for bankruptcy, given that their primary market is PC and, you know, PC is such a terrible market with no money in it, and all that damn piracy.
Smart people don't buy **** games. Smart companies don't make **** games and then wonder why nobody buys them.
Crytek made a game that was, admittedly, extremely pretty, but the combat was dull and it ran like a turd. And people don't like buying turds.
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Piracy is real, but it isn't quite the end of the industry. If it was, then Crytek wouldn't still be in business now, since all they have had before Crysis2 were PC-only titles. So they themselves have made money, and other PC-only devs have made money as well, enough to sustain and make a profit (not to mention fund development of new tech from said money). Piracy by itself is not a good reason on why PC is being treated so poorly.
Do you like to have great games or business models? Since Blizzard has subscription and Valve grabs 30% of each Steam sale, they are not contributing to improve PC gaming
So making really polished games that sell tons of units is essentially no contribution for you? Okay.
Valve would be doing just fine without Steam. HL2 alone sold over 6 million retail copies, to say nothing for what people have bought on Steam.
Do you really think Valve taking 30% wrong? If you published with EA they would probably take just as much or even more.
And additionally steam provides the servers to host the game and provides advertisement for games that are released on the platform.
Starcraft II does not have a subscription fee. None of the Warcraft RTS games have one. To my knowledge, neither will Diablo III. In fact, the only Blizzard game that has a subscription is WoW, which is just one game in a very large stable of high-quality, high-earning games they have. The original Starcraft still sells copies to this day.
And none of Valve's games have subscription fees.
And of course Valve charges money to publish your game for you. So does every other publisher on the planet. Welcome to how the world works. Do you think any of the indie games that release on Steam would have even a fraction of their sales without all the publicity and visibility they get by being on Steam, not to mention the handy Steamworks features?
That's not the issue. Of course Blizzard and Valve GAMES bring value to the PC and to PC gamers, however their success doesn't come directly from one time sale of great games. The fact that business models are successful shouldn't confort anyone when they don't bring added value to the gamer.
Development costs of Crysis were $22 million. Despite the first weeks of piracy (due to many reasons -new IP, -ridiculously steep requirements, etc.) and the highly competitive year of 2007 with HL2:EP2, TF2, UT3, Bioshock, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and CoD4:MW, Crysis sold 3.000.000 copies.
3.000.000 * $50 = 150.000.000$
3.000.000 * $50 = 150.000.000$
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Where do you think those companies got the capital to make any of their products? Hint: It wasn't on consoles.
Like I said in my last post, HL2 sold more than 6 million copies AT RETAIL. What does that have to do with Steam?
And as a response to your tongue-in-cheek implication, Steam adds way more value to the PC gaming market than you are clearly willing to admit.
You forget publisher fees and money needed to ship the damn things to stores as well as any other fees that are calculated in. They may very well have made a profit still, but 150m they did not make. Nice try at sugar coating though
You don't think they saw more than 14% of that in the end? I find that hard to believe. I have a hard time believing they didn't get closer to 30%, which would fund another game of it's scope on its own, to say nothing of what a publisher would fund.You forget publisher fees and money needed to ship the damn things to stores as well as any other fees that are calculated in. They may very well have made a profit still, but 150m they did not make. Nice try at sugar coating though