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CenterView Issue

Discussion in 'Original Unreal Tournament' started by DarkByte, Nov 16, 2001.

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Which aiming device do you use ?

  1. I use a Joystick with CenterView

    3 vote(s)
    5.8%
  2. I use a Joystick but dont need CenterView

    4 vote(s)
    7.7%
  3. I use a Keyboard and need CenterView

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  4. I use a Mouse or Trackball

    40 vote(s)
    76.9%
  5. I use another aiming device that requires CenterView

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  6. I use another aiming device but dont need CenterView

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  1. DarkByte

    DarkByte LLama Killer

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    Okay guys,

    Some of you have mentioned that CenterView is cheap, and i'd be more than willing to try and put some kind of regulation in the code for UTPure but i need to know how many of you play the game with a joystick to aim.

    If i disable CenterView, its Joystick users that would pay the prices (unless i have a flash and find a way to avoid that)

    So, here is what my poll is about.

    I need to know how many of you aim with a joystick (or whatever is not a mouse except keyboard).
     
  2. AriTheDog

    AriTheDog frog steering expert

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    first, i don't think centerviewing is really an issue. but hey, i could be wrong. i generally just hold the mouse at headlevel when i'm snipering. it isn't hard. :D ;)

    second: who the hell plays with the joystick???
     
  3. hyrulian

    hyrulian Rainbow Brite

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    I use a mouse and keyboard.
     
  4. Pope

    Pope New Member

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    I don't see why centerview is needed for normal movement even for a joystick. What's the difference between the joystick and the mouse in this aspect?

    Since a lot of people don't know what is meant by centerview in the 'cheap' sense i'll try and explain it quickly. It's that movement that brings your crosshair level so that your are looking straight ahead. It can be bound to any key. Nowadays it's mostly used to increase the probability of getting a head shot with the sniper rifle. You see, if you keep the centerview key depressed, your y-axis movement is locked. This way, if you're on the same level as your opponent, all you have to do is aim along the x-axis and you get a headshot (150 health). There is no chance of aiming over his head (miss) or below (body shot = 67 health).
     
  5. I_B_Bangin

    I_B_Bangin habitual line stepper

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    If you could create something to get rid of centerview and the clan ladders supported it, I would be a happy man. I am sick of losers who use the centerview "cheat" to pretend they are actually skilled players. It seems to be the trend lately for people to use cv binds in matches and it is a real pain. OGL has recently started discussion about this problem and I am hoping that it results in some sort of rule against using it, but a rule like that would be really difficult to enforce without a mod like what you are thinking about.

    Great job dude, this is a step in the right direction for the UT community.
     
  6. Syri

    Syri Who are you calling short?

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    can't you check if the use joystick box is enabled? or check for recent movement from the joystick or keyboard aiming?
     
  7. XeneX

    XeneX Volatile

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    Many euro servers are running an anticv mod.

    As soon as you hit your cv button you get kicked......
     
  8. Tarantella

    Tarantella Dances with spiders.

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    I use joystick and mouse succesfully, using a joystick for movement forwards and backwards and turning means I can set my mouse sensitivity for aiming really low (typically 2) so my aiming is plenty accurate without needing centre view.

    Playing insta a lot recently though Ive noticed one or two players not seeming to have any vertical movement at all in their aiming and they couple this with never actually jumping but continually dodging.

    Each to his own config I suppose but the latter strikes me as a bit of gamesmanship.



    What I would really like to see in the game is the removal of the option to have multiple commands activated by the same key press and the removal of the option to have other commands on the onrelease function.

    Online FPS' should always be a test of dexterity not of the ability to write scripts and aliases.
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2001
  9. mobace

    mobace rimmerlike :(

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    i would like to see centerview eliminated as well. i know specific players i have played against who switched to this method and the difference is ridiculous. for those who don't believe it is a cheat try to think of the interface being an extension of your body...
     
  10. Angus

    Angus New Member

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    I use a Panther XL, it is both a joystick (move) and a trackball (aim) plus 19 buttons.

    I have never used centerview and can't see why anyone would, unless they were using a standard joystick with no mouse or trackball in which case they would get owned badly center view or not!
     
  11. 8-4-7-2

    8-4-7-2 New Member

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    Angus:
    The thing with center view is this:

    If you press the CV key your aim gets fixed vertically and you get always headshots if you hit him horizontally.
    Play CTF-Hydro and you will see
     
  12. Hammer][1][

    Hammer][1][ New Member

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    Ten fingers

    Man I sure wish I could play with the keyboard, but I think it would be hard to do with less than ten fingers! Some fokes have
    all the luck!

    Happy Fraggin
     
  13. Ve7

    Ve7 Rest In Peace

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    Kick the CV lamers. :)
     
  14. Boom

    Boom Rumpshaking Moderator

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    CV was meant to help keyboard only, or joystick/keyboard users who find themselves staring at the floor. Tap CV and you straighten up. Unfortunately its set for perfect headshot level. I tried it on practice mode and was making shots that I have never made in 2 years of playing UT. I got a 75 headshots in under 5 minutes. I got a monsterkill with headshots. It was absurd. I'm not saying that I could do that kind of stuff with real people, but I certainly could make shots that I otherwise could never make.

    Darkbyte, the problem is that its headshot level. If it aimed a foot above headshot level it wouldn't be a problem. Can you do something to just alter the CV code so that it locked on a foot above headshot level? That way it would still serve its intended purpose to help noobies who are stuck staring at their feet, but it couldn't be abused the way its currently being abused to get easy headshots.

    Right now CV is half of an aimbot. An aimbot locks the verticle and the horizontal on the enemy's head. CV locks the verticle on the enemy's head and all you have to do is aim the horizontal.
     
  15. AriTheDog

    AriTheDog frog steering expert

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    i dunno, i guess i just thought it was easy to center the mouse without using a centerview thingie manually while playing...

    i also didn't think it would help much, given slopes, and such. but, if you wanna change it, and some people use it innapropriately, go ahead. i'd aim the [CV] view low, though, so it still hits, for n00bs.
     
  16. Mrukk

    Mrukk Inhuman

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    Boom is a cheatAr :D
     
  17. Mrukk

    Mrukk Inhuman

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    I've never tried this CV thingy, and have no idea if anyone I've played has used it, but I'd certainly support getting rid of it :)
     
  18. turnip

    turnip New Member

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    how about canning behindview and fov changes while youre at it..
     
  19. AriTheDog

    AriTheDog frog steering expert

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    good plan, i'd say those are bigger problems, actually...
     
  20. Stryker8

    Stryker8 New Member

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    i simply knew there was something 'legal' out there that would enable a guy to do a domination spree with sniper rifle
    i definatly support to get rid of it, or to move it out of headshot area
     

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