Anti-Establishmentarianism discussion

[Cat Fuzz]

Originally posted by The Spiritwalker


how do you justify that statment???
I care about other people??.. when I said that I appalud when "bad" things happen to people that deserve it.. I was referring to people like murders, and the like.. I am totally in support of an electric BENCH.. that way we can get more people on it at once...I think that people like Suan Smith sould be drowned then revived and then drowned again... punshiment should fit the crime.. and I just happen to belive in stronger punishment.........

YEAH BAY-BEE!!! /me gives SW a high fiver

 

[lucifix]

yea probably half the people on death row are mentaly ill and should be in an institution getting help and not waiting for someone to take their life away. we are NOT god, its not up to us to judge who is fit to live or die. if god wants the bastards dead im sure he can do it...........he slaughter millions of people according to the bible........

 

[Cactus]

also, yes i think it is indeed shoving the problem aside, however, i recognize that prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, and there are likely to be bad neighborhoods for hookers and drugs in any city. however, since it is a universal truth, then ought we not make an attempt to maximize social welfare with that factored into the equation? that is, allow for teh existence of such places, however, simply not in midtown manhattan? it's foolish to not recognize that these places HAVE to exist. however on a uniform level, we can have them exist in bad neighborhoods, thereby maximizing social welfare because if those neighborhoods are already bad, their land value is low, etc. vs. the high land value gained by the office spaces when time square became reputable, it seemed a worthy trade-off, and that's why i considered the time square initiative a success, not because it entirely got rid of those things from the city, you can still buy drugs or hookers, but because it shifted the whole structure of the city in a way that was condusive to growth.

 

[Cactus]

Originally posted by Claw


It seems to me your clarification also clarified the source of the problems you have on the far side of the ocean. Throwing things together thaat don't have to belong together. These things are associated only because you associtae them, and therefore tend to accumulate in one place.
If prostitution wasn't a crime, it wouldn't attract so much shady business, too.

i conceed that, but don't blame it on me, it's the damned americans and their twisted language, it wasn't my first language... =P

 

[lucifix]

and i think it is very odd to have two christians who support that. im not saying they dont deserve it but doesnt the bible say to love everyone?

 

[lucifix]

Originally posted by The Spiritwalker


how do you justify that statment???
I care about other people??.. when I said that I appalud when "bad" things happen to people that deserve it.. I was referring to people like murders, and the like.. I am totally in support of an electric BENCH.. that way we can get more people on it at once...I think that people like Suan Smith sould be drowned then revived and then drowned again... punshiment should fit the crime.. and I just happen to belive in stronger punishment.........

and thats one of the many reasons i hate the goverment. its not their fucking decision! example if someone killed a family member of mine i wouldnt go whining to the police, i would get a sawed off boublebarrel hunt their ass down and return the favor! we shouldnt depend on someone to protect us. if we are so pathetic that we cant take care of our individual selves then i pray that the apocalypse is near............

 

[lucifix]

i hate humans.........FUCK YOU GOD!

 

[lucifix]

dont quit now! come on! give me HELL! keep pushing PUSH ME OF THE GODDAMN EDGE!!!

 

[lucifix]

ive been of my medication over 3 months...all i need is a spark to ignite the fuse..........

 

[Stilgar]

"stay inside this holy reality"

Originally posted by Cactus


a
i'm in the math/econ major. i plan to go into finance. my future is crap cuz the field is dying lately, cut-backs, etc. my courses suck, as of last night, i seriously wanted to kill myself. problem sets are a bitch, and no matter how hard i try the rest of hte class far surpasses my skills and if i have a C on my transcript then forget about getting a job at an investment bank...

however, i saw a sunset a few days ago, and i thought to myself, "if this was the last sunset the earth sees, it's fine because its beauty alone has graced the world." iot was amazing, the sky was cyan, and clows were streaks of bright pink, and the sun was this red, not orange, not yellow, beet red ball off to the horizon. it made me think that there was something beyond ourselves, beyond the immediate, hope for the rest of man, hope for the earth, hope to endure.

Welcome to my world....every day, every fukn year....
If I can truly say that there's one thing that drives me the most, it's the enviroment I live in... and I need it ! ...for the time being...
My favoured profession (games ) requires me to seek an education from those willing to share knowledge over the internet ( most of it from friendly people in the US ) there just isnt any other way.... living in a city popluated by 120,000 people, in a country where wanting to help write games isn't something anybody wants to teach ( it's generally laughed at ) a place where there is basically ZERO opportunity for games developers.
I have to have something else to get my 'motor runnin' ....to help me motivate myself with positive thoughts that If I can get good enough I can get a job overseas and actually be rewarded for my efforts instead of being laughed at and looked down upon for my impractical career choices. Still, I have to be open and attentive to recieve the mental energy boost that I need to endure ( the recent birth of my niece is another positive factor that I needn't explain )
It's taken a few years but I'm learning how to make the most of a place that's considered a backwards hole economically.... good for tourism and nothing else...
Im not the best at putting this **** into words, and it might be hard for you to relate to new zealand's landscape ? ...but I think we could on the same boat, or atleast heading in the same direction regarding faith and the gift of being alive.

 

[Stilgar]

Originally posted by lucifix
ive been of my medication over 3 months...all i need is a spark to ignite the fuse..........

you are the spark ......and the fuse

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Originally posted by lucifix
and thats one of the many reasons i hate the goverment. its not their fucking decision! example if someone killed a family member of mine i wouldnt go whining to the police, i would get a sawed off boublebarrel hunt their ass down and return the favor! we shouldnt depend on someone to protect us. if we are so pathetic that we cant take care of our individual selves then i pray that the apocalypse is near............

Then the guy you just wasted has a brother. He smokes you. Your bro or other family member goes and offs your killer, etc. etc. Frickin Hatfield and McCoys on a national scale in no time.

 

[lucifix]

Originally posted by Cat Fuzz



Then the guy you just wasted has a brother. He smokes you. Your bro or other family member goes and offs your killer, etc. etc. Frickin Hatfield and McCoys on a national scale in no time.

in the end does it really matter? no. a lot of innocent people are imprisoned and executed....a lot of people that shouldnt be there in the first place.

like i said early in this thread, i really dont want to discuss this shit.......i have let it go to far. no one understands me so there is really no reason to try.........and i also said i wasnt here to make friends, but im also not here to make enemys.....i have enough already. ignore me, call me childish/stupid/satanist/whatever the fuck you want to call me. i have delt with this shit for 22 fucking years and my skin keeps getting thicker. i will be released from this hell soon enough......

 

[lucifix]

when i first joined this forum i thought i would find somewhat like minded people. and all i found were hypocritic idiots, christians that will surely be in hell long before i get there and fucking assholes........with a few exceptions. i will step out of your way and retire from mapping and the ut scene in general.......HAPPY NOW?!?!

 

[lucifix]

until the next millenia.......

What do you mean, "I don't believe in God"?
I talk to him every day.
What do you mean, "I don't support your system"?
I go to court when I have to.
What do you mean, "I can't get to work on time"?
I got nothing better to do
And, what do you mean, "I don't pay my bills"?
Why do you think I'm broke? Huh?
If there's a new way,
I'll be the first in line.
But, it better work this time.

What do you mean, "I hurt your feelings"?
I didn't know you had any feelings.
What do you mean, "I ain't kind"?
I'm just not your kind.
What do you mean, "I couldn't be president,
Of the United States of America"?
Tell me something, it's still "We the people", right?

If there's a new way
I'll be the first in line,
But, it better work this time.

Can you put a price on peace?
Peace,
Peace sells...,
Peace,
Peace sells...,
Peace sells...,but who's buying?

 

[Chrysaor]

Huh? what did i miss?

 

[lucifix]

Originally posted by Chrysaor
Huh? what did i miss?

apparently no one likes the "real" me so im leaving the nc/bu forums..........

 

[Cactus]

eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

how many people really understand *me*? i don't think any of you know how f*cked in hte head i really am... only difference between me and you is that i think with my head and not with my heart. you wear your feelings on your sleeves, you're bound ot get hurt. you're angry about a lot of the things i'm angry about ,i know the problems to which you refer. but i think the best way to remedy the system is by changing it from within, not a radical overthrow, look at hte french revolution, uprising after uprising, overthrowing the dictators, then overthrowing the men who overthrew the dictators, then overthrowing those guys, there's no end. you have a fire that burns in you and that is your drive, but you can't let that flame drive *you*. you let that be your motivation, but you can't let that dictate your actions. think with your head, cost benefit analysis. and then and only then, will you change hte world, mold the world to your will.

 

[Cat Fuzz]

Don't leave, Lucifix! I'm not being sarcastic either. I've felt the urge to blow this joint myself but its alot more fun hanging out here in the forums and havin a few laughs.

 

[Frostblood]

"i do care what happens after i am dead for now, BUT after i am deas im incapable of careing because im dead, is it that hard to understand? the kids fighting back thing that i said WAS wrong, not much a kid can do, but adults can fight back if they choose to. so if they dont choose to fight back well what happens to them is their own fault imo. if i was a woman getting raped i would rather fight back and risk being killed than just laying there saying "go ahead and get it over with"..........."

True...you just gave the wrong impression with your first post. Don't leave by the way...we've all been embroiled in arguments like this.

Cactus : Always make your decisions based on emotions, but never your own. I know what you mean about changing the system from within, but revoloutions do work...just look at afganistan. But thats a different kind of problem, the problems in the west won't be solved by revoloution or "anarchist" kids.