Pretty sure the menu isn't part of the game, just to get you into the game
Most of them were ports from older games, anyway, I was being sarcastic.
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Pretty sure the menu isn't part of the game, just to get you into the game
Most of them were ports from older games, anyway, I was being sarcastic.
TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
He didin't ignore me, but can i join?We should start an "Ignored by WT" social group, it'd be the biggest group on the forum!
Because you're reading a reporters story about a lecture given at a conference, not what was actually said. Nothing was changed at the last minute and the UI video demonstrated in the lecture was never actually implemented.
I understand many of you have little but the Internet to base your opinions on, but I would strongly encourage skepticism as ones default position.
As long as reality and "what actually happened" aren't important in that symbol
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TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
I have to agree with jeffy boy on this one: The name change had nothing to do with this games failure.
We should start an "Ignored by WT" social group, it'd be the biggest group on the forum!
Man we love you WT.
So you are basically saying that Gamespot's reporter misquoted you? What about 1up's reporter:
Admitably the part about the old user interface may have been not entirely true but they both can't be lying about these so called last minute changes I know February might be a long time ago but maybe you actually said that.
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TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
I love the unshielded hostilieties that are getting thrown around here. Then you finish it off with a and no one seems to be the wiser.
and no one seems to be the wiser. 
The day the name change was announced was also the day UT3 was announced to come on the 360. Before that day (ok, it might not be exactly that day!
), the info we had about the upcoming game talked about Conquest, talking to bots, and awesome online features. After that day, the new info talked about a single player campaign about a war and a possible leaning movement in the PS3 version... Of course I don't know what the real story is, but it's clear to me that Epic at some point felt obliged to target the game to a wider audience (offline and console players), making many old fans feel disappointed... The name change is just an(other) evidence of that (it was confirmed by Epic the name was changed because of console and marketing reasons wasn't it?), although of course it is not directly related to the game's failure (hell, we all wanted the new UT to be called UT3! 
TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
believe me when I say that I'm not trying to make a point or put up an argument here... But out of interest could you provide a link?
To be fair, I wouldn't dispute that. As a contributor towards that trend I guess I'm as guilty as anyone. However, does it really make that big a difference? As PC gamers aren't we supposed to be an older demographic than our console wielding counterparts?
If anything I'm buying more games now than I ever have done in the past (although this could be random chance based upon the games that are being released at the moment).
btw - thanks for continuing to taking to the time to post to this thread. I don't have to agree with you to find the discussion interesting.
It said something like this:
'The 2007 thing might discourage the console community to try the game if they have not played the previous UT games. By changing the name and logo, console players, who have not heard of previous UT games, might not notice the III blood trails in the logo, so they would feel more interested in it since it seems to be a brand new game.'
I don't remember where I read it (I think it was an interview released before the game came out) and I'm not 100% sure it was someone from Epic who said it... TBH I remember it beause it was bitched about in the forums...
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TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
That's a damn fine quote :tup:. Interesting to look back on....It said something like this:
'The 2007 thing might discourage the console community to try the game if they have not played the previous UT games. By changing the name and logo, console players, who have not heard of previous UT games, might not notice the III blood trails in the logo, so they would feel more interested in it since it seems to be a brand new game.'
I don't remember where I read it (I think it was an interview released before the game came out) and I'm not 100% sure it was someone from Epic who said it... TBH I remember it beause it was bitched about in the forums...
I really don't care one way or the other about consoles and GoW2. Some people like them, some don't. I like some games on consoles and think they work better on console than they do/would on PC. I simply prefer PC games because that's just what I prefer. I didn't buy a 30" monitor and build a gaming rig to just play solitaire.
However, what I do care about is UT3.
If the UI has been described in such a manner as Mike Capps described it- why hasn't the UI had a complete overhaul?
Perhaps recent patches have made headway in that direction- I'm not 100% sure as I uninstalled UT3 before the last patch came out (1.3?).
I found it odd that UWindows2 won Best Tool in MSUC- although I haven't tried it. Why did it take a member of the community to make something work that should have been working in the first place is my question?
I still stand by my earlier point- ship a finished, polished, quality PC game and the players will buy it and play it. Ship a beta and don't be surprised when sales and player numbers aren't meeting expectations. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising. When people rave about a game- fence dwellers will shell out the money for it. Likewise- when people are not impressed the opposite is sure to happen.
I don't mean to be crass as I know a tremendous amount of work went into the making of UT3 (or any AAA game for that matter), however I question the direction taken and decisions made by the producer(s) on many aspects of UT3 that would have made it a polished game to rave about.
However, what I do care about is UT3.
If the UI has been described in such a manner as Mike Capps described it- why hasn't the UI had a complete overhaul?
Perhaps recent patches have made headway in that direction- I'm not 100% sure as I uninstalled UT3 before the last patch came out (1.3?).
I found it odd that UWindows2 won Best Tool in MSUC- although I haven't tried it. Why did it take a member of the community to make something work that should have been working in the first place is my question?
I still stand by my earlier point- ship a finished, polished, quality PC game and the players will buy it and play it. Ship a beta and don't be surprised when sales and player numbers aren't meeting expectations. Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising. When people rave about a game- fence dwellers will shell out the money for it. Likewise- when people are not impressed the opposite is sure to happen.
I don't mean to be crass as I know a tremendous amount of work went into the making of UT3 (or any AAA game for that matter), however I question the direction taken and decisions made by the producer(s) on many aspects of UT3 that would have made it a polished game to rave about.
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Hmmmm
Which is more immature?
A.) A customer expresses his disgust in regards to an important figure within a company who's products he's been purchasing and using weekly for over 10 years since he feels that this individual's decisions regarding the focus of the company have overlooked the interests of consumers such as himself.
or
B.) A prominent individual in a company conducts community relations after a public blunder by using his position as a soapbox from which to spread a mixture of facts and personal opinions while utterly ignoring constructive criticism and pretending that everything will work out okay in the end.
On the bright side Wartourist's avatar makes a great visual aid and is incredibly conducive to my growing inclination towards base knuckle orthidonture practice on said individual!
Also:
You mean like how Sarah Palin skips the whole "filter of the press" thing and talks directly to Joe Sixpack? Outsanding public figureheads must think alike!
Which is more immature?
A.) A customer expresses his disgust in regards to an important figure within a company who's products he's been purchasing and using weekly for over 10 years since he feels that this individual's decisions regarding the focus of the company have overlooked the interests of consumers such as himself.
or
B.) A prominent individual in a company conducts community relations after a public blunder by using his position as a soapbox from which to spread a mixture of facts and personal opinions while utterly ignoring constructive criticism and pretending that everything will work out okay in the end.
On the bright side Wartourist's avatar makes a great visual aid and is incredibly conducive to my growing inclination towards base knuckle orthidonture practice on said individual!
Also:
You mean like how Sarah Palin skips the whole "filter of the press" thing and talks directly to Joe Sixpack? Outsanding public figureheads must think alike!
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TheIronKnuckle
What the hell is this "ballin" thing?
^ immature
Funny how this thread went from focusing on what Cliffy B (oops can't say that no more
) said, to focusing on Wartourist... gettin' the BU hater's love... just curious how do you manage to get work done and 'troll'... I mean... reply to this thread at the same time 
You assume too much.
As an aside, it's worth throwing out that in addition to the shrinking PC games market, there's been a shift in the kind of game that the PC gamer is buying in droves and high-end fast arcade-ish shooters just don't seem to fit the bill these days.
Someone mentioned Max Payne 1/2 earlier in the thread, but I'd say simply that those were made an eterinty ago... just like Unreal Tournament. BioShock is a more recent example of a commercially successful sci-fi PC game. I hope Epic Games takes notice of that fact and instead of running away from the platform, they tailor their games to suit the market. By that I mean, I hope they do whatever needs to be done to bring a AAA re-thought version of Unreal to the PC.