COD: MW2 Thread

Jacks:Revenge · Oct 18, 2009

well I'm not going to disagree with you.
a lot of PC gaming is going the way of console ports and the consolidation of online communities is unsettling.

otherwise, I maintain that the state of PC gaming isn't really any better or worse than it was 10 years ago. it's always been a niche of sorts, but there are causal PC gamers. it's not all or nothing being that you either use a PC for work or gaming, they're not mutually exclusive.
the problem again, I think, is that this stuff only hurts the mainstream PC market. the COD's, the GoW's, and the MMO's; the kind of games that generate large numbers of online play. those are the people who I hear the most complaining from.

I don't see the problem affecting PC gamers who enjoy singleplayer/offline and/or non-mainstream titles like adventure, puzzle, RPG, simulation, etc type games.

I'm holding out hope.
I think some of the talk about PC gaming coming to a demise are premature.
but trust me, I see the problem very clearly.

Jackal · Oct 18, 2009

Pretty ****ty of them.

I'll hold off on buying it, if I ever do.

NRG · Oct 18, 2009

I signed the petition IW can't delete from their forums:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw
Sure there's lots of duplicates but why not?

In related news, a lot of fans are now talking about Bad Company 2 now and how EA/DICE is planning to make the PC support not suck. (apparently that's already kind of been confirmed via Battlefield 1943) They're competing directly with Modern Warfare 2 this time in Battlefield and they're not hiding it. The last trailer did look pretty convincing, and I wouldn't have minded Bad Company on PC.

hal · Oct 18, 2009

Jacks:SmirkingRevenge said:
sh*t, I recommend everyone get a PS3 anyway because it's like getting a free blu-ray player.

I'd buy it for the blu-ray and consider it "getting a PS3 for free", personally.

Soggy_Popcorn · Oct 18, 2009

dragonfliet said:
You are an idiot.
...
If you don't want to give them your money, don't buy the game. If you think that the game is worth playing, then pay up. You're all: Damn Infinity Ward for consistently making great games. How DARE they try and establish multiplayer the way they want. STEAL FROM THEM FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME. KILL THEM ALLLL BLAAARGH.
~Jason

You might be right about the move to their own servers not saving money, but in the long run, having their own proprietary, closed system will make them money. Look at Battle Net.

Secondly, Infinity Ward has NOT consistently made great games. CoD 1 was great. CoD 2 was good but slightly worse. CoD 4 was pretty good but also moderately consolified in weapon balance. Although the balance definitely had problems going beyond consolification.

Have you even played the first one??

SlayerDragon · Oct 18, 2009

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funkblast · Oct 18, 2009

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Capt.Toilet · Oct 18, 2009

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SlayerDragon · Oct 18, 2009

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funkblast · Oct 18, 2009

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America, **** Yeah!

T2A` · Oct 18, 2009

Combo breaker?

Sir_Brizz · Oct 19, 2009

So I just read about this and I'm appalled. Is Activision going to force all of their brands to Battle.net systems? If so, I'll avoid everything coming out of Activision (not that they've been making stellar games lately anyway...).

Whether or not this will make them more money doesn't matter. It is a power grab. Like Blizzard, they want ultimate, final control of the product that is played online. Blizzard is doing exactly the same thing with Starcraft 2. They do this with careless disregard for the needs of the consumers who pay their salaries, and it is utterly wrong.

I really don't see what makes this system necessary? What was the problem with CoD4, CoD2, CoD that made them think, "Hey, we should make a central server system for the PC version, too!" How many PC gamers CARE about matchmaking? I have a hunch that it's about one tenth of one percent.

I think this is appropriate:
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T2A` · Oct 19, 2009

Well, as of this moment my copy will still be coming from Walmart. Who knew canceling a pre-order was such an ordeal? Guess that's what I get for trying to save $20. D:

I think Activision's desire to push things onto a central system is so they can say, "Oh, look, CoD7! It's got new stuff! Go buy it!" and the no one will have a choice because they've been playing the same sh*t for six months and are tired of it.

It's sad, really, because the people who are apathetic toward the central system vs. dedicated servers system are the ones who will have stopped playing a month or two after release. In the end it's only those who actually enjoy the game enough to continue playing who are getting f**ked.

Terrible. F**king terrible. :shake:

Sir_Brizz · Oct 19, 2009

I'm sure that is partially true. Power grab!

Darkdrium · Oct 19, 2009

I sure am happy that I have a VX Revolution for a mouse!

Yep, terrible news. Although I was not planning in the least to get or even play this game, it sucks when critical features vital to any community forming behind the game get taken out.

All I can say is good luck to the few who wish to have a good experience with the PC version (Peer to peer anyone?)

DarQraven · Oct 19, 2009

For Starcraft it's not so much of a problem. Sure, the removal of LAN is sucky, but I have good hopes this will be put back in if the announcement of the "revolutionary b.net features" get a cold reception. If not, it will be hacked back in.
In any case, since SC is mostly 1v1 or 2v2 for serious play, matches like those are easy to organize, just join one or two through friends list and kick everyone out of the lobby that isn't part of the clanwar. Maybe it's even possible to start a private lobby, I don't know yet.

Not so for 6v6 TDM matches in CoD. The logistics behind getting all the players into the same lobby before it fills up are simply a hurdle.
Besides 'serious' play, this is also a serious downside to pub play. I usually played on a few of the same servers because I knew people who played on there weren't spamming, insulting idiots. Anyone who was was kickvoted immediately.

Now it looks like you'll just be matched up with whomever the matchmaking pleases. Homophobic 10-yo galore!

IW/A deserve every smelly, stale bit of the ****storm that's coming to them.

SleepyHe4d · Oct 19, 2009

DarQraven said:
Not so for 6v6 TDM matches in CoD. The logistics behind getting all the players into the same lobby before it fills up are simply a hurdle.
Besides 'serious' play, this is also a serious downside to pub play. I usually played on a few of the same servers because I knew people who played on there weren't spamming, insulting idiots. Anyone who was was kickvoted immediately.

Crappy excuses right here, even with the most basic matchmaking system you can set up your own parties and matches. Just look at Halo 3's matchmaking.

Also, about SC2, Bnet will have the exact same features and SC's Bnet and a lot more added, nothing is being removed. :con:

DarQraven said:
IW/A deserve every smelly, stale bit of the ****storm that's coming to them.

Nah, it's their game and it's kind of a win/lose decision. Matchmaking helps ranking systems and makes rounds more even, that being said they could have added both, matchmaking for ranked games and servers for unranked.

DarQraven · Oct 19, 2009

Excuses for what? Not liking forcefed matchmaking thus not buying a game? I don't have to make excuses for that, I believe?

SleepyHe4d said:
Crappy excuses right here, even with the most basic matchmaking system you can set up your own parties and matches. Just look at Halo 3's matchmaking.

So you honestly don't see the difference between having a server with 'regulars' up and running 24/7, free to join as they please, and having to invite/friends list everyone to your lobby to achieve the same effect?

Also, can you imagine the WCG finals when they have to individually invite everyone to the same lobby and one random jerko from the internet joins and refuses to leave? Unless we get private, passworded lobbies, **** like that will happen.
And if we can have private, passworded lobbies, WHY THE HELL can't we have dedicated servers?
Justify that one.

Also, about SC2, Bnet will have the exact same features and SC's Bnet and a lot more added, nothing is being removed.

Except for lan support. Let me say that again, for dramatic effect. NO LAN SUPPORT.
MIDI maze, from 1987, had LAN support (then through MIDI ports, hence the name). This is a game that was released 22 years ago.

Nah, it's their game and it's kind of a win/lose decision. Matchmaking helps ranking systems and makes rounds more even, that being said they could have added both, matchmaking for ranked games and servers for unranked.

Win/lose just doesn't make sense. Win/lose in what sense? Activision wins and we lose? I don't WANT forced evenness (we have voteshuffle for that), I don't WANT ranking systems. I want the ability to join a server I like, or hell...rent a server myself.

dub · Oct 19, 2009

SleepyHe4d said:
Matchmaking helps ranking systems and makes rounds more even, that being said they could have added both, matchmaking for ranked games and servers for unranked.

Does it though? I was going to ask this yesterday - Brizz kind of hinted at it a few posts up - but does matchmaking help and is it ever useful?

I'm playing a game now with matchmaking and it sucks. It's no more accurate than if you randomly put people on a team.
Even when the levels are somewhat the same, the game is never more balanced than it would be if it were just random people playing.

I don't think I've ever played a game where the matchmaking worked well and was useful.
We didn't have matchmaking on CoD4 (did we?) and it wasn't worse off for it.

Also, you can do matchmaking without IW.net. It's not like that's a required feature to get matchmaking capabilities. So that part is merely an excuse.
It is ultimately for control (which the IW employee says multiple times on that podcast)

Rambowjo · Oct 19, 2009

SleepyHead, Blizzard has actually completely removed LAN playing from StarCraft 2. You will only be able to play with and against other players through Battle.net.

The problem with CoD:MW2 is that we will no longer be able to use pro mods. Pro mods are essentially mods that setup servers and players, so that everybody has the exact same brightness, weapons, sounds, appearance, basically everything. If this is no longer a possibility, the level of clan wars we saw in CoD4 will simply not be possible.

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