Yesterday in Paris...
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The whole thing is fucking horrible, watching the news updates made me more and more despondent throughout the night.
ISIS defines the entire religion?
DISCLAIMER: This thread should not turn into that kind of a discussion. I'm just raising a question.
"ISIS" doesn't define Islam, but it's a part of the conversation.
Not all Catholics are child-molesters, but you couldn't call Catholicism "the religion that doesn't butt-fuck little boys". The existence of high-profile, ongoing examples to the contrary would make it difficult, anyway.
Not all Catholics are child-molesters, but you couldn't call Catholicism "the religion that doesn't butt-fuck little boys". The existence of high-profile, ongoing examples to the contrary would make it difficult, anyway.
Considering how this was not prevented, can we get rid of mass surveillance, security theater on airports and all the "anti terror" laws now?
And the shitty fucking terrorists are going to get exactly what they want. A military response so that they can say "See! The Crusaders want to destroy you and your religion! Join us and fight them, or die."
It's a never-ending spiral of death. They attack us, we attack them.
Maybe we should try something different.
It's a never-ending spiral of death. They attack us, we attack them.
Maybe we should try something different.
My sincere condolences to those affected...... this has nothing to do with religion; just cowards who use it as an excuse.
of course not.
but we've established that religion in general does more harm than good, and bad ideas are bad ideas no matter where they come from.
in this case - in the 21st century - the bad ideas are coming from Islam.
those are the facts.
it doesn't mean that everyone who practices Islam should be held responsible. but it does mean that Islam can be held responsible as the provocative source of these bad ideas. when all the bad actions are coming from one particular place, we have to be willing to stand up and call a Spade a Spade. we retaliate against Christians who hate gays. we have no problem calling them out for their terrible ideas. so we can surely retaliate against Islamic extremists on that same principle.
you're so dead wrong.
this has everything to do with religion.
they don't yell "GOD IS GREAT" while slaughtering infidels like goats just because of politics...
people like you are giving them cover.
stop making excuses. their fucking religion is poisoning their minds.
129 so far, yeah, nothing constructive will come from this thread.
Just remember, stay away from racist/unthoughtful/selfish/etc comments.
Herminski too.
.......Good job everybody.
Just remember, stay away from racist/unthoughtful/selfish/etc comments.
Herminski too.
.......Good job everybody.
Manticore and BIg-al, and perhaps dotnetbeast as well... do yourselves a faovur and read Ayaan hirsi ali's book "heretic".
Religions is an excuse not a reason. If this has something to do with religion then all religions are to blame.
If this is about religion it just proves that all religions need to be abolished. What good has any religion ever done on this planet?
If this is about religion it just proves that all religions need to be abolished. What good has any religion ever done on this planet?
Same here.
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Come on bros. Maybe we won't solve any world problems here this thread, but are we not allowed to be adults and discuss issues going on in the world today? If you don't feel like talking about real-world issues, don't. But don't be afraid to just because you think the thread will turn to shit. We're better than that, right?
It's not like BuF is jumping with gaming discussion... or anything else for that matter.
It's not like BuF is jumping with gaming discussion... or anything else for that matter.
Killed millions and millions of people just because they did not believe in the proper god or any.
I'm with you in principle but in reality it's not the 14th century.
it's the 21st century and not all things are equal.
I would love to abolish religion but that's not going to happen any time soon.
during the Crusades, it was pretty clear that Christianity was a serious problem that needed to be dealt with. and it has been, over time.
today, it's pretty clear that radical Islam is a serious problem.
no shame in calling things what they are.
I would argue however that In many instances however it is the religion that is used as the justification to do things as opposed to the religion itself.
Christianity was used to justify the crusades, holocaust, slavery, native american ethnic cleansing, etc
Judaism is used to justify settlements, land reclamation, apartheid, etc
Islam is used to justify revenge, minority blaming, external influence blaming, etc
Just another tool in the toolbox for leaders to control people. Isis' commanders consist mostly of ex-Saddam military generals (Sunni) who are getting revenge on (Shia), and this is why they have had many tactical successes. They changed their names and such to religious ones of course; but their motives are entirely for power. The Pope wants to remain influential, Christopher Columbus wanted the gold, Saudi Arabia wants to blame Shia's for all their woes - its all the same.
I simply see religion's ability to influence people to do wrong as a consequence of those who control it, more so than its ability to corrupt random followers.
The worst part is that all the regional powers see it as a political opportunity to bomb anyone who isn't Isis. The Saudis bomb Yemen rebels, Turkey is bombing Kurds, and now Russia is bombing non-Isis rebels.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/strategy-isis-defeat-board-game/400034/
Christianity was used to justify the crusades, holocaust, slavery, native american ethnic cleansing, etc
Judaism is used to justify settlements, land reclamation, apartheid, etc
Islam is used to justify revenge, minority blaming, external influence blaming, etc
Just another tool in the toolbox for leaders to control people. Isis' commanders consist mostly of ex-Saddam military generals (Sunni) who are getting revenge on (Shia), and this is why they have had many tactical successes. They changed their names and such to religious ones of course; but their motives are entirely for power. The Pope wants to remain influential, Christopher Columbus wanted the gold, Saudi Arabia wants to blame Shia's for all their woes - its all the same.
I simply see religion's ability to influence people to do wrong as a consequence of those who control it, more so than its ability to corrupt random followers.
The worst part is that all the regional powers see it as a political opportunity to bomb anyone who isn't Isis. The Saudis bomb Yemen rebels, Turkey is bombing Kurds, and now Russia is bombing non-Isis rebels.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/strategy-isis-defeat-board-game/400034/
Ayaan Hirsi Ali was on the Daily Show as I recall. So, sure I get the idea about her book having just googled it.
Sure.