XMP is coming to UT2004! - Free Monkey Interactive Announces UT XMP

[shoptroll]

Well said.

Anyways. I'm ready to get done with this whole argument.

Here are my final comments.

It seems like most people are happy to see XMP making a transition to UT2004. I for one am ecstatic cause this is going to be the capstone for one hell of a summer as the Unreal community is concerned. (Granted the Unreal expo is up in the air, but there's always next year). Yes, there's a few people who are skeptical, as is understandable.

And then we have the die-hards...

Dead_Metal - I understand where you are coming from on a lot of this stuff. Yeah, FMI has access to a lot of stuff that you don't. Fair? Maybe not. But they've paid their dues. They were the ground-breakers for this community. They're composed of former XMP Beta Testers and CBP developers. They have a connection with Legend, and I don't think anyone in the community could ask for a better crew to go out and carry XMP into the next step of its journey. cXp I'm sure is gonna help keep the original community going until UTXMP kicks out. It's your torch to carry right now. Do this expansion, do it right, publicize it right. You know its what's best for the community.

Mantik - Dude. Extinguish the flamethrower and take off the blinders. 'nuff said. (Roughly the same can be said for Prophet as well)

And for the people who claim $30 is too much for UTXMP: Don't forget that unless you had bought Unreal 2 prior to XMP, you still had to buy it like I did just for that reason. Trust me, UT2004 is a great game and has a lot going for it. Buy it for XMP when it comes out, and give other stuff a shot. There's enough mods out there to justify the $30 or $40 you'll spend.


Anyways, I've taken as much of this debate as I can. UTXMP is going to happen. There's nothing much anyone other than FMI can do about it. People are gonna hold on to the past while other people move on, thats a fact of life.

I know this whole announcement has rekindled my interest in XMP, and I might be around on some servers later this week after classes let out for the year. Maybe I'll see some people around, who knows. Look for Iceboy doing his tech and gunner thing everyone.

 

[W0RF]

I should add that Steve Polge noted in the Atari forums that Epic welcomes the use of U1, UT, UT2K3 and U2 assets in mods, etc. So while FMI has the inside track with beta testers and former Legendians on board, I would say that dead has access to many of the same resources.

 

[IndianPsycho]

... I would say that dead has access to many of the same resources.

Not that he needs those - UT2K4 is the mother and father of all evil, after all...

 

[shoptroll]

Not that he needs those - UT2K4 is the mother and father of all evil, after all...

Would you care to elaborate? I am fairly interested in porting at least the Unreal 2 models (the Atlantis crew, the various Mercs, and the Skaarj) to UT2004. If there's a way to do so from what installs with Unreal 2 and UT2004, I'd be really happy to know.

 

[Dead_Metal]

I don't agree Iceboy- they should at least be allowed into XMP play but not UT2004, as they already have such things....though inspired models from u2 would be pretty sweet.

I never said ut2k4 was the devil Indian - I have played it after all, and I do find it enjoyable.

 

[Saito]

I never said ut2k4 was the devil Indian - I have played it after all, and I do find it enjoyable.

wow.

On the topic of modles. I have seen serveral "anubis" maps in XMP, those meshes and textures are from 2kx. So importanting the models wouldn't be hard. However the animation system is different between the 2 games.

 

[Dead_Metal]

and polycount......

 

[shoptroll]

I don't agree Iceboy- they should at least be allowed into XMP play but not UT2004

Says who?

If Epic said its ok, then it's ok by them. I would love to have an Aida bot with Team Colors running around in some CTF action. Also, I am highly interested in doing an Unreal 2 weapons mod/mut. for UT2004 as Unreal 2 never got proper multiplayer.

As for putting them in XMP? What are you talking about? The reason why XMP has three models is to show who's playing what class in the game. Much like TFC and other class based games. Allowing anyone to play XMP with any model completely breaks that feature.

*Puts on asbestos suit*

 

[Saito]

and polycount......

That's doesn't make a difference, I am sure the 2k4 engine can handle it.

 

[PF Prophet]

And actually, porting XMP to 2K4 will get you new players; I know I'll be playing UTXMP a lot. The main reason I don't play right now is because XMP runs like a dog on my machine while 2K4 runs like butter.

edit ur ini file i have gained up to 30fps for people by doing this

also set ur net speed to modem and dissable(uncheck) dynamic connection

this helps everybodys lagg/ping

 

[Dead_Metal]

The thing about U2's models is their HIGH FRIGGIN POLYCOUNT - which would make the game run slower, they could make similar models to them, which would be better, but using the models from U2 wouldn't be a good idea.

 

[PF Prophet]

Errmm, well with no cheat protection what do you think?

People posted that brining XMP into 2k4 will bring cheats into XMP. I posted that 2k4 has cheat protection XMP does not.

If it's ok to say

"omfg 2k4 has teh cheaters oh noes, thens they will cheat in teh xmp"

Then its fair to point out that 2k4 has cheat protection, XMP doesn't. To make the point even more relavent chew on this mantik.

2k4 not only has cheat protection... but PATCHES AND UPDATES. IE if they spot something borked, it can be fixed. If they find a cheat, they can give a security measure to fix it. Is that such a bad thing?

It seems like allot of people take moving XMP over as a slap in the face, and while it may or may not be there is allot to be said for and against it. Pointing out that 2k4 has a better master server, cheat protection, and atari support is not saying "OMG XMP is teh suck" as you seem to take it, and it's not "knocking the crap out of the game" as you seem to think it is. It's just pointing out things XMP lacked (for one reason or another) that it would have in a new setting.



Not true. It's just part of this community is so damn deffensive that you can't say a god damn thing negative about XMP without them freaking out. It's not like people are pissing in your cherrios, don't cry.

XMP is a great game, but there are some major issues with it. Most of this stems from it not being supported at the time. That's nobodys fault but Atari's. 2k4 is supported, and as such does not have some of these issues. Pointing that fact out is not saying "OMG XMP is teh sucks haha" it's owning the problem, and thinking about it. If the port goes over well UTXMP has the chance to deal with all these problems. Why not talk about them?

Pointing out what xmp lacks that 2k4 has isn't a knock on XMP. It's poiting out what XMP would gain in that setting. Do you mean to tell me that you don't want.

1. Atari support
2. A stable master server
3. Cheat protection
4. Patches and updates
5. Better performance

Why would you not want that?

fist off it wouldnt be atari support it would be epic and they wouldnt patch the mod they would patch ut2k4 possably making the mod not work till an updates done
this would mean that people would need 2 copys of ut2k4 installed 1 for the utxmp the other for ut2k4

cheat protection is only usefull till somebody finds a way around it

the master server issue is being looked at now but besides that its been pretty stable lately yeah it was down for a short time but least its not down all the time

better perf would be nice but at what caust 30-50$ for a new game ? i can get the same perf boost by editing the ini as i could with ut2k4 (after patch)
infact i tryed full 2k4 when a buddy brought it over and it ran like **** the demo ran find but the full was buggered up (the reasion he brought it over was to see if i had same perf issues)

you make some good points but you also fail to see the pitfalls of any corse of acction

main pitfall im seeing is that you think ut2k4 patches will alwase work with a tc mod and thats not true i have seen mods that had to be updated some times taking months just becouse a game patch changed something that made the mod nolonger work

this isnt a project by epic/atari or any other company its community based and as such they will not be spending alot of time supporting it if any


oh and for best perf make the mod use the same poly count as u1 LMFAO
yeah baby 98 ploy count rulz


oh and the caust of getting ut2k4 just to play xmp has to be added to what people have alreaddy payed
thats between 10 and 30$ in my exp so at the least its 40$ to play a mod at at worst 70 just to keep playing xmp BAH i say

ut2k4 may be a grate game to some but menny people dont like it and as such wouldnt buy it i know you will say "but is a grate game" that may be true for you but for me and others like me its boring fragfest based POS that we dont want to pay to own

well its hot as hell in here so for now nuff said

 

[Saito]

Nice post prophet and you do have some good points.

one gripe

cheat protection is only usefull till somebody finds a way around it

It's better than XMP now which has no cheat protection and you can cheat your heart out in it. People do work around it in 2k4, but then they update UT secure and anti tcc to solve it, so its a constant war. Unlike XMP now where cheats will never be stopped.

cheat protection gets a big thumbs up from me.

 

[Dead_Metal]

uh, I have yet to see cheating in XMP - unless u count map exploitation

 

[Major-Lee-High]

ut2k4 is a good game, i hated the other 2, but they polished it off good. I didnt play ut2k3 at all, but i bought it because its a good mod engine, which is a good reason to buy 2k4 as well, even if alot suck alot are better than some retail games. So even if you hate ut2k4, its worth getting (although waiting for discounts isnt a bad idea). Not to mention you can trade u2 in for it lol....

There isnt a good reason NOT to port xmp into ut2k4, especially since they wont be shut down. Better engine (if you think xmp has better performance than ut2k4 then your a fool), bigger community, better everything.... Plus voice chat, bots, the monkey teams ability to update and fix the game (and hopefully fix some of the retarded problems xmp had gameplay wise). Its a good thing no matter what anyone thinks.

I waited for xmp from when it was announced till it was released, bitched when it was canceled and jumped up and down when it was reborn, dled and played it religously for about a month or so.... Then i stopped, its a good game, but the problems in it need to be fixed, even if legend wasnt shut down those problems would have never been adressed (aside from fixing the crap vehicles control possibly, and lag online). Combining the team fortress classes was dumb, especially just like every other TF game making the sniper a assualt class like retards. More classes would have ruled, hopefully the ut one has more (and females dammit). The artifact gametype is a great idea but it ended up being the main killer, when the games were good it was really badass, but 99% of the time one team would win in like 2 mins, and with their only being 3 good maps, having a good map end fast sucked. Now i understand that by now that prolly doesnt happen as much but uhh yeah theres only like 20 people playing, only the hardcore people who look past the game flaws still play so ofcourse it doesnt happen, throw 500 people online and it will go back to 99% fo the time, unless you go on a locked server with those same good people, ruining the point of having more players. That right there just highlights the gametypes flaw and imo is the main reason the game died, lack of fun for casual players, even just added in rounds so the maps would at least play for the full timelimit would have fixed this (take note monkey). A straight port to ut2k4 WONT be that good of a thing, they need to take the core of xmp and add to it. Legend messed up by taking TFC and TRIBES2 and combining them (which is a great thing) but then gutting out many good things (the ammount of classes of tfc and fun gametypes, the good ammount of tech from tribes) and adding in Unreal 2 (which while it was a decent shooter, it wasnt near the level of fun tfc or tribes 2 had) contaminating the mixture. So i really hope monkey takes xmp's good things and readds some of TFC's and Tribes 2's good things (inter changable base turrets anyone? CTF? Better classes?) along with some of their own ideas. Oh yeah, and make better maps..... XMP had 3 i considered AWSOME (in my list of classics) and the rest sucked.

And yes xmp is dead, so stfu. it never saw but barely 500 people online (piss poor by todays games) and barely gets, what a full server now? As for the forums having the most people viewing, whoopdee ****ing doo. Most of the people veiewing are like me who dont play xmp anymore or never did just comming here to see what you dumb****s are saying. "Urrrrrr xmp's vehciel code is 10x better than ut24k's!!!!!11" "Like omg xmp isnt dead, its still thriving, at its prime!!!!!!" its like going to the zoo to look at the monkeys playing with their own crap. The whole "XMP RULES!!!" "No it doesnt" flame wars just dont get old, and thats why there are alot of people viewing here... But then again i guess you could call that a community still lol. I come here all the time but just dont post because, i would just call you all ****ing retards and i wont change your minds about xmp having problems if the lack of players for a profesionally made game thats free doesnt.

I loved xmp's design, I loved playing it, but unlike the handfull of people left around, i got tired of being called a cheater for exploiting the easy sniper class (sorry guy's, you arnt a leet sniper in xmp), I got tired of my fav maps ending in 2 mins and going onto one of the many crap maps, Got tired real fast of the lack of even half decent servers, and finnaly got tired of the ****ing morons who wouldnt accept the fact that the game has problems that needed to be fixed and constantly said its all fine, even though as we can all see now it most certainly wasnt fine, and theirs nothing to save xmp now but a mod team for a better game....

Anyway, cant wait for utxmp, and ill say again that i hope its not a straight port, other wise youll just be porting over the same reasons noone played it. It wasnt atari, or legend closing, or unreal 2's crappiness. Its as free as americas army and enemy territory yet noone plays it.... thats enough proof. Im waiting anxiously for it, and my old map ideas are still here hoping that they have a good game to be made for soon.

 

[Dead_Metal]

And thats all we need out of u, k, thx for coming by, be sure to hit every inch of the wall as you walk down the 100 mile hallway of stupidity, oh....and there is some ppl that want to hit u with the door as u get to the end. ty for that uninspired rant about 2k4's leetness compared to XMP. But ya, everything you said is opinion - and likewise there is some out there will agree with it, most of it, or some of it, or hell - some that don't agree with it at all. You make a few good points in there, and some nuggets of truths slip down your chin and out your mouth as the rest just dribble out as mere nonsense and sh][t. Maps? what? - Americas Army is fun....haven't played it in a while.

Neways - its the unforgiving ppl like yourself that just automaticly condemn XMP to the depths of hell and look at utxmp as nothing short of XMP's SAVIOR. Its good no doubt about it, but its not XMP. And on that note we strike up the band for yet another grueling hour of XMP. -- neways, no bashing. ......Unless u count the first part. ^.^ but i don't....and i don't think a few others would.

 

[Saito]

uh, I have yet to see cheating in XMP - unless u count map exploitation

I know people that did run aimbots in XMP, I know them because they did in 2k3 and they didn't even hide in XMP. I also know you can get said bots pretty easily if you look.

 

[Major-Lee-High]

Well i dont really think ut2k4 is alot better than xmp, except for the fact it runs better and has a better overall engine. Im a bigger fan of Class games (tfc is my fav of all time probably) and i pretty much hate spammy dm games.... All i enjoy of 2k4 is assualt, which i would still rather had classes, same with ons. I dont really look at utxmp as a savior either, i look at it like i look at any teamfortress mod, i hope it will be better than all the other crappy ones and give me something i can play as much as i did tfc. Hopefully it takes the good parts of xmp and adds to it, making it better, other wise they are wasting their time. XMP looked like it would fill that hole tfc left, but quickly i found out that it wouldnt, and i begain the same bitching i would do for any tf mod about the problems and hoped they would be fixed, but i knew they wouldnt, since retail games hardly ever change things like that, but xmp was made more like a mod so i hoped. Ill dot he same with UTXMP if there are alot of things i dont like....

There was a RTCW team fortress mod called Wolf Taktiks, imo its probably the best overall TF mod ive played (q3f would have ruled if not for the crap gameplay, and pure fag community). But very like xmp it died fast, actually it got raped alot faster and worse. It had about as many people as xmp does now at its peak and then enemy terriroty came out (like a week later) and totally killed it off, not to mention the fact it was made for a game that by the time it came out everyone hated (like unreal 2). I tried just like you guys to get players, and i stuck around for a bit, but im not dumb enough to stay around when i knew it was dead so i left.

And sorry, but my post wasnt really that stupid, cept for a few parts where i got carried away, xmp let me down and it reminds me sometimes when i post so i start to bitch, but most of its right on.... Your not helping disprove my point by pretending im wrong, your just another idiot who refuses to look at the facts (yes facts not opinions) about xmp. But also like i said (also not opinion) if the lack of players for a free game and the HUGE ammount of people who agree it sucks dont change your mind then i cant do it with a simple post. The remaining XMP fans are the minority in most of these arguments, so it doesnt matter to me, since its only natural to get a little desperate for things to say when your cornered like a dog (part of the fun watching these boards). Youc an play it all you like, i still have it installed and have tried to a few times just to give it another chance. XMP will only be better on ut2k4, and to sit around saying things like the vehicles in xmp are fine, and xmp doesnt have anyproblems are alot more retarded than the people flaming the **** out of it and its remaming community. If more people would have said "Yeah that needs to be fixed" instead of brownnosing or just excepting things like the crappy vehicles maybee a few things would have been diffrent (imo alot of the problems stem form the tard beta tester clan that could have helped make the game better and didnt, insisting thing were fine, and obvously never were).

I would be on the xmp fans side, but there were too many things that pissed me off in the long run that wouldnt be fixed ever. I would have fixed them myself, but all the people that would have appreciated that were long gone and wouldnt rewarez the game to try something they may or may not like. Thats one thing with UTXMP that will be diffrent, the huge ammount of players ut2k4 has will still be around to try it every version, and will be more likely to comeback and try the user made stuff for it. Not to mention, everyone playing UTXMP online will have bought the game, unlike the many xmp players and most likely the lot bitching about having to buy a game.

 

[takwu]

I really really hope that the vehicles in UTXMP will behave exactly like those in U2XMP.

Ok, maybe that's a bad thing for the majority of the gaming population, because they will never be able to drive in this game (look above).
I myself had done arti runs with the harbie very often. The horn is addictive. When driven correctly it is faster than any class player on foot, even in rough terrain. And when downhill there's no contest.
Look I'm clearly not saying the vehicle physics is for everyone. It is for people who understand it and therefore can drive it. The cars are already such an advantage, if they were any easier to drive, XMP would end up dominated by car thieves.

I understand and sympathize anyone who cannot drive in XMP. It isn't easy. But just because most people don't like it doesn't mean it needs fixing. If that was the case in real life we would not have manual transmission anymore (scary thought).

If a whole bunch of people who don't play XMP wants UTXMP to be completely changed to suit their taste, they might as well make another mod called something other than XMP. If you don't like my party, throw your own, don't take over mine, I beg you.

 

[PF Prophet]

JEEZ stop complaining and get over it, what is so bad about xmp for 2k4? It will only make it better...
And stop complaining about the bots, theres more than just bot servers out there, there are hundreds of other servers. Besides, they wouldn't even throw in the 2k4 bots, that would just be dumb, they are for on-foot fast paced combat. Theres such things as making your own bots.
The UT2k4 engine is so much better too, with so many possibilities, you guys dont know what you are talking about. And another thing, if it doesn't have the XMP 'feel' go play XMP for crappy U2 and shut up, cause NOBODY CARES.

flute STFU and go masterbate or something you dont like u2/xmp then gTFO and dont come back