What is your game?

[C22-Mort]

I must say I am quite amused to see realism complaints about RaV2 from 2.86 players. Last time I dropped onto a vanilla server a lot of people seemed to be sprinting at the other team firing on full auto with one of their three primary weapons

I don't play Inf purely for realism, after all I can't die, smell or touch so the realism factor is gonna be limited whatever "flavour" you play, I play for fun and I can assure you that I don't like the AUTO/shottie rusher either but that's the price you pay for having "public" servers I can assure you that that kind of behaviour in a "clan-match" would ensure you never played a "clan-match" again, I'm sure that there are things people do on RA servers that are equally annoying even if "Real" after all it is a game and we don't really expect the taking of "cuban dawn" to take 2 days like it might in a "real" situation. Vanilla INF gives me a nice balance between fun and realism, as I'm sure RA gives you guys the right balance of fun and realism you crave, I however found RA "not quite realistic enough" and too little fun for a game, as Yurch's sig says...it's all about the balance, doesn't mean I hate it or it's players, just as it doesn't mean I'm a bunnyhopping shottie/full Auto nutter (Actually an M203 guy ), which was my major gripe with RAv2, I could completely understand not allowing the use of ACOG whilst firing a 203 (unless you want a broken eye socket ), but to not actually have one on the M16 went too far for me, I would rather of had a situation where the ACOG was just not useable when you had 203 selected!

The last time I played RAv2, I ended up being the last man and all I got was "Move, dammit you @#&*", and not just from the odd player, but I had already explained that it was my first go and had NO idea what to do or where to go and ended up giving in.....as you can see not exactly "fun", and since then whenever I've felt like trying I couldn't find a server to play on! I'm sure some of you guys have had the same kind of experiences on Vanilla servers!

Many Vanilla servers are too full of the kind of people who have to shout "Die bitch" when they kill you or "MuthF~#@" when you kill them which is why public vanilla has lost some of it's edge

I completely agree that there is too much senseless "bashing" of all game styles which is what I think has split the community, not because we dislike the other persons game but discussions usually descend into personal bashing, which I think is a crying shame.

and I hope that SWE-DEF's post was actually supposed to have a load of winky smilies after it

P.S. WAKE-UP, god that was a long post

 

[spm1138]

The last time I played RAv2, I ended up being the last man and all I got was "Move, dammit you @#&*", and not just from the odd player, but I had already explained that it was my first go and had NO idea what to do or where to go and ended up giving in.....as you can see not exactly "fun", and since then whenever I've felt like trying I couldn't find a server to play on! I'm sure some of you guys have had the same kind of experiences on Vanilla servers!

People hassled you rather than helping you? That's very annoying. I guess RA is not without it's arseholes either.

I agree with what you're saying about choosing your own level of realism.

I think there's room for all of us in Inf (it is all Inf, isn't it?). I am actually really looking forward to playing on more vanilla servers (as well as RaV3 ) when 2.9 hits.

The M203 thing was put in for several reasons as I understand it. One of those was a couple of realism factors - you can't properly mount and use the sights required for the M203 with an ACOG (which is perhaps beside the point because Inf doesn't model those sights) and because the same guy wouldn't generally get issued both because he couldn't use both at the same time.
Even specfor units who use the M4A1 SOPMOD kits with all the gubbins in appear to almost never mount both on the same weapon.

The gameplay factor is simply that a weapon with both (especially with the increased ammo limit for 203 shells in realaim - you get 3* the amount you bought or something like that... spamtastic ) is a little overpowered.

 

[Vega-don]

damm i don't want another RA for 2.9 !

1st reason is that Ra pushes limits to high. the M203+ACOG is another example. as long as real units use it , it should be in game.

2nd reason is that it would split the community again

3rd reason is it would be bugged

 

[spm1138]

1. You wouldn't be obliged to play

2. As long as you are in the part of the community that isn't playing, what's your concern?

3. What isn't?

 

[[C22]-SpOOky]

IMO already discussing an rav3 before 2.9 has even been released is a crime of the worst kind

The infiltration communtiy has been split for soo long and 1 of the big things i was looking forward to was having a united communtiy again
But If plans for an RAV3 are already underway .. that SUX

Lets take a small communtiy of players and split them in half

I dont know why the inf team even botherd to spend 2 years maoking 2.9, If people are already planning to make changes to it before its even released
Im glad im not on the team or i would feel very Pissed off and would even feel insulted

IMO Splitting the community only helps deminish the community, with less people to play with it becomes less fun

 

[(SDS)benmcl]

Commenting on making unknown changes to a game most of hasn't even seen yet is pushing speculation a tad. I understand why some may want to at some point but we should probably wait atleast until we played it a bit.

 

[Vega-don]

1. You wouldn't be obliged to play

2. As long as you are in the part of the community that isn't playing, what's your concern?

3. What isn't?

because i don't want to have my *clan* (more a friendly group) split or having to play a modification i find unecessary (RAV3) just to be with my group members. i imagine how many clans problems it could bring

 

[firefighter]

voted vanilla. Allthough i think playing RA2 is more tense and exciting, vanilla is more fun and the people playing it are ( actually: were ) more fun to play with ( no offence )
if there was only a DTAS on vanilla servers, and no bunnyhoppers/ sprinters, 2.86 would be super!

 

[Puppie]

Though I've stopped playing INF, I can tell ya that RAv2 sucks, real hard. But hey, that's just my oppinion ..

Another thing, why dont you like CounterStrike? I could agree about those low lifers, that acts childish and so on, but not all servers have players like that. So I'd like an answer from everyone, WHY you dont like CS. Personally I think it's because you aint good at it )

 

[firefighter]

Though I've stopped playing INF, I can tell ya that RAv2 sucks, real hard. But hey, that's just my oppinion ..

Another thing, why dont you like CounterStrike? I could agree about those low lifers, that acts childish and so on, but not all servers have players like that. So I'd like an answer from everyone, WHY you dont like CS. Personally I think it's because you aint good at it )

lol puppie!

 

[jaymian]

Damn near 50/50 between vanilla and RA. Interesting. Seems this poll has dragged some of the vanilla guys out of the shadows Welcome to the INF forums. May I suggest you wear a bullet proof vest?

 

[AlmostAlive]

Though I've stopped playing INF, I can tell ya that RAv2 sucks, real hard. But hey, that's just my oppinion ..

Another thing, why dont you like CounterStrike? I could agree about those low lifers, that acts childish and so on, but not all servers have players like that. So I'd like an answer from everyone, WHY you dont like CS. Personally I think it's because you aint good at it )

Of course RA sucks when you like the OMFGHEADSHOT!!!111-leetness of CS. Don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously when you just say "OMG IT SUCKS" without giving any reasons why you think it sucks.

Oh, and I guess I could get to like CS if I only could adjust to the leet run&gun, cheat infested bunnyhopping that goes on. See? That's called giving a reason why you think something sucks. That is also the reason why I started playing RA. And another thing, you are probably in the wrong place if you are looking for recruits to CS.

 

[[SOB]bAd ChIcKeN]

INF period.

hate this we are better because we have gps or we are better because we can bunnyhop until the cows come home, just have fun for ****'s sake.

 

[yurch]

IMO already discussing an rav3 before 2.9 has even been released is a crime of the worst kind

The infiltration communtiy has been split for soo long and 1 of the big things i was looking forward to was having a united communtiy again
But If plans for an RAV3 are already underway .. that SUX

Lets take a small communtiy of players and split them in half

I dont know why the inf team even botherd to spend 2 years maoking 2.9, If people are already planning to make changes to it before its even released
Im glad im not on the team or i would feel very Pissed off and would even feel insulted

IMO Splitting the community only helps deminish the community, with less people to play with it becomes less fun

Then put me in handcuffs right now.
If I added a new gametype instead (and thusly an alternate way of playing the game), would this also be a horrid crime?
Are map makers not allowed to make maps anymore because it will split players between old maps and new maps?

Does the lowgrav mutator split the community? How about a class-based mod with slowmotion bullets and 5000 health players?

Before you answer, consider: This will possibly be the last release of infiltration for UT, and that means we will be stuck with it for a Very. Long. Time. Modifications in this sense already have a right to exist. But somehow RA is different, is it?

RA's popularity was bred from the discontent with 2.86. If you didn't notice, there is and still was a good deal of it on the forums. There exists a large group of people that are obviously not happy with the current status of play. The split is already there if the mutator exists or not. The only difference is that one particular group of mutator happy people would have eventually given up and left. Most of you wouldn't play a game that annoys you for a month. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS.

As for unity? Please. I remember running that original RA server that only 15-20 guys or so total visited. I remember the harrasment from those who just couldn't stand that we played different, nevermind back then there were 4-6 other full servers to play in. If our numbers stayed the same, or even if we dissapeared right off the server list, I doubt ANY of you would give a **** about those *******s who insisted on playing their way on thier own damn server.
Is it different now that it is (was) slightly more popular? No. It's only significant to you because in the midst of dwindling numbers of players "we" now are proportunately bigger. Yeah, must be "our" fault and our hatred of 'unity'.

As for RAv3, I can't promise much. I will be playing around with code, I may be hosting games, but I doubt it will ever have the popularity that RAv2 had at it's height. I don't think the difference between yurch's way and 2.9's way will be that starkly contrasted. Why should you care?

2.9 will have a good running start before I start to do any of this.

I shouldn't have to come in here to defend the right to exist of a mutator I haven't even written. I shouldn't have to come in here and defend a sub community for doing what they please. I don't tell you people how to run your servers or how to play your game. What business do you have to tell me how to play mine?

 

[Midwinter]

Well, by his own logic, Puppie hates RAv2 because he sucks at it

 

[[C22]-SpOOky]

Yurch .. dont trow ya dolly out ya pram m8

I Didnt say u should not make mods ... i didnt say u should explain yourself

I at no point said u should never make another Rav ..
I said nothing about maps
and i didnt ask for the history of RA
I also didnt tell you how to play Inf
My post was not even directed at you but at another in this thread who was talking about Rav3 for 2.9

And i dont understand people bitching about the 2years thing
If Anyone dont like the style of inf they are playing .. find another game to entertain yourself .. Personaly ive been playing for about 4 years and i still enjoy My Inf and Still play it almost Every day
Infact Many Vanilla players still play every day even after 2 years

Your ranting at me about things i didnt say

Oh and what do you mean by " Your People "
Do u mean activly playing Inf people ?
It seems to me by ur use of Your People .. that u have an issue with .. Vanilla players ?


So now ive had a rant back
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I Expressed my opinion about already talking about new mods for 2.9 when it has not even been released yet

Im Not blameing you for anything I Just would like to see 2.9 before people start making plans for new rav3 ..... (oh and i didnt say u was making any plans )

If u feel ofended by my post then im sorry .. i didnt mean to offend you
I just found it in poor taste to see people already thinking about rav3 before we have even played 2.9 .
IMO any plans/discusion for RAv3 3 Before 2.9 is even released SUX

 

[keihaswarrior]

The reason why many of the INF players are already looking forward to RAv3 is because 2.86 gameplay was so incredibly horrible. Frankly, I think many of us are skeptical that 2.9 will actually be all that realistic and not just "2.86 with a couple features added."

When I try to play 2.86, I get a knot in my stomach that makes me want to vomit. It is that bad. ---------After experiencing that, it is hard to believe that the same team that coded 2.86, is going to produce a game that plays realistically.

I know I am being cynical, and I really hope RAv3 won't be necessary, but it is hard to believe that we won't need it.

 

[[C22]-SpOOky]

If u think so little of infiltration Why do you play it ?

The team Put in alot of effort in making Infiltration .. But i seems to me some of The community think it sux
Personaly i Love Infiltration its the Only game that has kept my interest for so long

1 thing about infiltration i really love is Tactical Play Beats rushing and bunny hopping

Ill give u an example of this

[L]imey used to play against [-I-]nforcers every week in a training match

Inforcers always won because at the time [L]imey was a collection of good players who played pretty much the same in matchs as on the public servers

Now the [L]imey Infiltration Squad are known as Catch-22 .. And now tacitcs are Everything about how we play in matchs

Before a clan match we have a discusion about the map and team we are going to play
We devise tactics and statagy for that match based on the map and the team we are playing against .

Due to the use of tactics and preperation, Catch-22 Have Never Lost a clan match Stats
Not only that But most our wins are clear victorys .
And not listed on our stats are RA clan matchs we have played and won
The Hardest matches we have is when we play against [-I-]nforcers who also use tactical play
And they tend to be long, slow, Intense Match's

Infiltration is a Perfect example of a game that is fun .. but also it balanced in a way that Tactics will almost always beat speed and agression

I Salute the infiltration team who i think have Created A Fantastic GAME that has an almost perfect balance

Fun to play But also balanced to favour team play

If Ever The Infiltration Team want to produce Infiltration as a stand Alone .. this is exactly what the game needs
"To be Fun But also remain true to its roots .. Teamwork "

 

[spm1138]

< This is a kind of smilie called a grinnie. It is generally understood to mean that the text it accompanies is not one hundred percent serious.

 

[C22-Mort]

One of the reasons why I like Vanilla is that you can have a really intense tactical clan-match and then go and let of some steam by having a mad rush-fest on a public, AK-Drum only seems to be a favourite

But I agree with Spooky, that it seems a lot of people are very cynical about what 2.9 will bring, it seems that many Vanilla players seem to think it will be "too much like RAv2" and many RAv2 players seem to think it will be "too much like vanilla".

If there are issues with it I would dearly love to see both parties involved in discussions about what changes could be made (IF ANY) and create a game we all love... I know... Iknow... I'm just a glass is half full kind of guy

But from what I've heard if 2.9 falls exactly in the middle of the two camps I can see this happening :-

1> RAv1 players and the more moderate Vanilla and RAv2 players will think it's the greatest game ever and will rush out to give Beppo & the team offers of sexual favours
2> Hard-line Vanilla players will reverse engineer it to add all the features they love, SPAM weapons, bunnyhopping and NO stamina drain codenamed Counter-INF or Infiltration-Strike
3> Hard-line RAv2 players will reverse engineer it to make it soo real you bleed when shot codename UltraRealAim

I really hope that this isn't the case but I CAN see it happening

btw...much exaggeration was used in the making of this post