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Zundfolge

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kB!s? ... unsuported chambers? ... can't eat lead?

/me smiles and lovingly strokes the grip of my Steyr as it sits IWB at 4 o'clock :D
 

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Instead of individual grooves cut into the barrel, the bore almost looks twisted along the insides to give a very smooth looking rifling with no discernable beginning or end from land to groove. This deforms the bullet less allowing for greater accuracy. Here is a rifled bore with a bullet fired from it:

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Here is a polygonal bore and bullet:

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Gholam

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Uh...

1) Very unsafe because of safety and trigger design.
2) Weak chamber - mentioned earlier in this thread I think.
3) Crapass sights.
4) Vertical foregrip instead of normal handguards.
5) Naked barrel.
 

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6. Magazines dissolve when cleaning them in acetone.
7. Magazine release positioned poorly.
8. More felt recoil than other .223 rifles.
9. No good for lefties unless you have the bolt conversion.
10. Just plain ugleh.
 

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That l33t translucent plastic... early L86 had the same problem with their plastic furniture, only worse - it wasn't acetone that dissolved them, it was standart issue rifle cleaning fluid.
 

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And the AUG hate-list continued:

11) Poorly balanced (butt heavy) and uncompfordable
12) Tendancy to slamfire
13) Hard to clean
14) Breaks too easilly
15) Distance between muzzle and sight too great for no good reason
16) Apart from the iron sights beeing poor, they are allso weak
17) Cocking it is a pain (see #11)
18) Reloading it is a pain (allso see #11 and Griffo's list #7)
19) Front grip too weak and doesent work in up position (see Gholam's list #5)
20) Nakked barrel allso makes it poorly suited for snowy conditions
21) Safety has been known to fail
22) Its so damn ugly!
 

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Acetone will happily dissolve most plastics. Not necessarily quickly, though. If you want a virtually indestructible plastic magazine, use high density polyethylene (HDPE). Absolutely NOTHING aside from some VERY expensive and exotic solvents will dissolve it, and it's VERY strong. I shoot 6" starshells from it routinely, and there's at least one company manufacturing armor plates with it. Great stuff.
 

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Just in the interests of fairness, I'll have to jump to the defence of the AUG on a couple of points here.

You CAN use the gun with the forward grip in the up position. You hold it similar to the way an MP5 is held by the front of the mag/back of the forearm. Our SAS use that method when they need to move quickly, yet still be able to fire.

Also, c<u></u>ocking isn't as painful as you'd think, but it isn't as easy as it could be.

Now in the interests of fun, I'll use my entire 61 rounds experience to confirm every other point against the AUG :D
 

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Youre defence is lacking mate, you can hold the AUG without gripping the the front handle, but you cant just fold it up and use it like a normal grip like so meny seem to think (whitehot barrel + fingers = NO!), and yes, you can cock the it...if you press the damn thing into youre shoulder hard enough, unlike most weapons i have held, my experiance with an airsoft AUG (same size, and im told 90% same weight and ballance, the battery makes it a bit worse balanced and its a wee bit lighter) was that you cant really hold it with just one hand on the pistol grip without it aiming at the sky, making it akward at best.
 

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I don't mean wrapping your hand around the barrel.

Your front hand goes infront of the trigger guard, and you press up and back with it there. It doesn't touch the forward handle.
 

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Yes...all AUG's should be shoved into the snow muzzle first, and then discharged by its desighners :D

BlAcK_PlAgUe22, the AUG is not an LMG, you dont cool the barrel like that because you dont need to (and if you ever found youreself in a position where you did need to...man what have you done to it!), that handle is only there to hold the weapon, and AFIK the only reason it can be folded up is for logistic reasons, or atleast that was the intend (and IIRC the handle is part of the mid-section, not the barrel).

Jaunty, i know what you ment, but common belif is that you are ment to hold it wrapping youre fingers around the barrel, which is just not the case.
 

BlAcK_PlAgUe22

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Found it: http://www.remtek.com/arms/steyr/aug/auga1/a1.htm

Three interchangeable barrel lengths are available-a 20-inch tube is standard while 16 and 24-inchers are optional. The cold hammer-forged barrel is chrome-lined and locks into the receiver by rotating it 1/8th turn. The forward positioned folding pistol grip is utilized to provide a handle to remove hot barrels which may be plunged into water for immediate cooling without suffering any consequences. A flash hider is attached to the muzzle.

I can just picture a guy in the middle of a war searching for a body of water to cool his AUG barrel. :D
 

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For the Barrel to become hot enough to need a cooling period, you would need to fire about 200 rounds trough it none-stop, give or take a few ofcourse.

I think there is a kit to make the AUG a small GPMG, sort of like an M4 with heavy barrel and Beta-c magazine, but apart from that you should never be in need of a barrel change when using an assaultrifle...if the AUG really needs that its more s<b></b>hitty than i ever dared imagine! even that dinosaur of a gun (Ar-15) the US army hauls around can do without barrel interchange no problem.

And somethings still not right here, the front grip is mounted on the mid section of the AUG, that section is seperate from the barrel, if you take off the barrel the handle wont come with it, who wrote that info on that site?
 

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A question for anyoune who has fired assault rifles in Burst or Full-auto. This is about recoil (relating to Inf).

In Inf, you can control recoil a little by pulling down on your mouse to look down as you're shooting a burst.

In real life, can you physically control recoil in a similar way?

Does the recoil on automatics within Inf reflect the recoil IRL if you are not trying to control it - or does it represent the efforts of the average guy trying to?