The Colt 1911/Clone?

[sublime]

True enough, although you can find optimal settings to reduce the grid size to a minimum. It might also depend on your mouse a bit. I still maintain that it's easy to get that grouping though, especially when prone. You can get it so that you stay on the grid even after firing, allowing you to be able to use the same spot on the grid it snaps to for subsequent shots. Just takes practice, and nope, it doesn't really affect the game much at all.

 

[Oblivion437]

It depends on the ammunition. You can tune up the rifle all you like, but the ammo is a real achilles' heel. Considering most .50BMG manufactured is intended to be sent out an M2 or somesuch machinegun configuration, the individual shot isn't so important. The result of course is somewhat poor accuracy.

Even still, a .50BMG can't be made to perform better, in my opinion, as well as a .30_06, at least at such a range as 100 meters, due to its need to stabilize.

 

[keihaswarrior]

True enough, although you can find optimal settings to reduce the grid size to a minimum. It might also depend on your mouse a bit. I still maintain that it's easy to get that grouping though, especially when prone. You can get it so that you stay on the grid even after firing, allowing you to be able to use the same spot on the grid it snaps to for subsequent shots. Just takes practice, and nope, it doesn't really affect the game much at all.

Uhm... Heres a technical question: When people talk about MOA groupings for a rifle, how many shots are you required to shoot? If it was only 3 shots, it wouldn't be hard to get a little lucky and get an amazing grouping. Obviously, a tight grouping would get harder as you increase the number of shots.

I am wondering if there is some type of standard number?

 

[Logan6]

/Me ignores Sublimes constant criticism. Maybe you should try playing sometime dude?

As for the .50 having a 1/2 inch MOA, I agree with Keihas, where did they get that. After 5000 rounds and a lucky group? Whats next, 20 mm with 1/4 MOA. Yeah, right, I'll believe it when I see it. I don't think the .338 magnum could get 1/2 moa. I'd be happy to see it get 1 MOA. That would be good. The PSG-1 gets 1/2 moa and its a .308 target rifle made more for the olympics than combat. And in game, we are not getting 1/2 moa with the .50. Not anywhere near it. And Im using a microsoft optical mouse which should have no problems keeping measurements.
My biggest beef with the .50, other than it being total overkill, is the time it takes to hit the target. Sniping on Road to Kandahar, it takes like 3 seconds to hit the target. Very difficult and shots are going very wild. Switched over to the PSG-1, and am getting much better kills. Problem with it is the low magnification of the scope.

I mean its like the Tobacco Industry saying smoking doesnt' cause cancer.

 

[sublime]

Do you have a .50 cal too along with every other gun you claim to own? Just curious, because if so, I'd love to see pics. How's that scope video coming along btw? For the MOA number, I simply quoted robar's site for the RC50. That was a 3 shot group with optimal ammo at 100 yards I believe and they guarantee it. You should buy one and take videos of it to see if it really is, supposing you don't already own a few. Since it's a gauranteed figure they should take the rifle back if you can't get that number. It would answer all questions here.

Also, why are you comparing calibers and not guns now? I could fit a .308 shell into a pipe and it wouldn't have very good accuracy. So can we compare apples to apples without tossing in the oranges when it suits us? Just let me know when and if we're talking about real life or in the game, ok?

Also, do you have a source, or sources, for the PSG-1 being primarily for Olympic shooting events? Which events? What countries have used it and during what years?

Optical mice are notorious for tracking issues, so they aren't excused from the grid effect by any means. Make a very quick movement left or right in Infiltration and tell me what happens. You'll either be staring at the ceiling or the floor most likely.

Out of curiosity, how are you firing the RC50 on RtK so that it takes 3 seconds to hit? Are you manually cycling the bolt? Are you holding down the fire key after the gun has fired so that it doesn't automatically load the next round? Those results sound pretty bad. Maybe you didn't set your netspeed or were lagging?

Oh, and as for me playing? I probably have a few thousand hours of 2.9 under my belt. Just so ya know.

 

[sublime]

The PSG-1 gets 1/2 moa and its a .308 target rifle made more for the olympics than combat.

I just wanted to touch on this again. I just did some research and I can't find anything in the PSG-1's caliber anywhere in the official Olympic rifle shooting events. Maybe it was in the past sometime? Seems like it's all .22lr or .177 air rifle. Did they rechamber the PSG-1 for .22 for the Olympics?

 

[Psychomorph]

@Logan6:
What a rifle it should be I don´t know, not an expert, but it should be one like you posted, with a classical rifle grip. I personally would wish a .308 sniper as the M24, it would be lighter than the PSG1, but I think it wouldn´t fit, cuz they are allready lighter acog rifles. The one advantage would be the zoomable scope. But a light 7.62x51mm bolt action would be cool and I would use it.

 

[Logan6]

Well, again, I really don't believe in 1/2 moa rifles, except maybe for the PSG-1 because of HK's reputation. But I would love to see a .338 magnum with hopefully about 1 moa accuracy in the game. I've heard from documentaries on TV and from the web that the US military is considering the .338 as a replacement sniper rifle for the .308, mostly because it has a much longer range. I've also heard that its flatter shooting, but not sure on that. The longer range 7mm round would also be a nice choice for a bolt action. Hell, just give me a Remminington hunting rifle in 7mm or .338 magnum with a Leupold or Zeiss 6-24x variable scope and I'll be happy.

 

[Psychomorph]

Hell, just give me a Remminington hunting rifle in 7mm or .338 magnum with a Leupold or Zeiss 6-24x variable scope and I'll be happy.

Me too, me too!!!

Of course a magnum bolt sniper is better than a 7.62. Many european special forces use the AW magnums as standart snipers, oh and they should have the same cammo "skin" as the actual Robar, that looks good and the AW`s have mostly cammo or green skins.

 

[Grim_Reaper ~UFS~]

lets all have a gun loving orgyfest

 

[sublime]

Logan6, why won't you answer my questions? I'm really curious about the PSG-1 being for the Olympics, how you shoot the RC50 across RtK, and whether or not you tried the optical mouse tracking I talked about. Thanks!

 

[Derelan]

if we're talking about putting a real 1911 in-game, this guy has some great reference shots, high resolution and a nice camera:
http://zenmastat.deviantart.com/

 

[sublime]

Derelan, brobdingnagian is the correct spelling. I know you're quoting CK, but it never hurts to spell it right. And you might want to check this thread for 1911 information. It appears you're a bit late with your reference materials.

 

[Meplat]

The PSG-1 is a precision police/military issue firearm. Intended to be used in the sniper, countersniper role. It is VERY accurate, but a well tuned NM M1903 and careful handloads will shoot circles around it. IT IS NOT intended for competetive (NRA position, DCM, Olympic) match shooting.

Some 1911/1911A1s are well worn. This, like any other mechanical device will lead to a cantankerous nature. I own and shoot regularly a number of WW2 and earlier M1911A1's. All are reliable, with only one having any kind of 'smithing. (And that was MINIMAL).

Regarding the accuracy of the .50, it is definitely off. These huge rifles are incredibly plesant to fire, recoil wise, and are capable of extremely tight groups at ranges beyond 1,000 meters. (That is their advantage, and their attraction. Accuracy, and power downrange.)
Do they belong in Infil? We've got one. Nuff said.

 

[Psychomorph]

Since INF got a .50 rifle, it is hard to drop it, but then they should make it realistic (bulk, shooting from standing). Who knows, maybe they will be vehicles in INF in the future, so a robar with bipods will be interessting. But as many ppl say (including me), we need a lighter magnum sniper too.

 

[jayhova]

My 2 cents

I've had a Milspec 1911 for several years now. The only time I have encountered feed stopages on this pistol is with poorly designed hollow point rounds. On a properly cared for 1911 ball ammo won't have feed problems.

excerpted from m1911.org
... A torture test was conducted, on March 3rd, 1911. The test consisted of having each gun fire 6000 rounds. One hundred shots would be fired and the pistol would be allowed to cool for 5 minutes. After every 1000 rounds, the pistol would be cleaned and oiled. After firing those 6000 rounds, the pistol would be tested with deformed cartridges, some seated too deeply, some not seated enough, etc. The gun would then be rusted in acid or submerged in sand and mud and some more tests would then be conducted.

Browning's pistols passed the whole test series with flying colors. It was the first firearm to undergo such a test, firing continuously 6000 cartridges, a record broken only in 1917 when Browning's recoil-operated machine gun fired a 40000 rounds test.

 

[Domino]

I think it should go on the record that I, Domino, have chosen NOT to participate in a 1911 thread, as crazy as it sounds ....

... oh crap, looks like I just did.

 

[mbs357]

Saw the mention of a CZ pistol on the first page, and would just like to add:
I would LOVE to see a first edition CZ-75 in game as a mutator. =x

 

[crazyjohn]

2 things, one a handgun mutator that would cut their bulk in half should be made so the pistols are actually practical. Second I've had my h&k usp in .40 for over a year now and I haven't found it clunky or hard to keep held up, takes some time to beat your natural form but I am way more consistant with it then any handgun I've used for a long period of time. Compared to the browning I used and abused the last couple years and a para p10 which is just a modern m1911 this is the best investment ever.

 

[mbs357]

I've fired two USP pistols and even though I have small hands, they're two of the most comfortable pistols I've ever fired. Much more comfortable than the huge 1911.