The 1911 Project
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Neva-Die!
I know we should let this die, but I absolutely hate statements like:
anyone with half a brain, and a search engine, knows that the 9x19 is designed to go all the way thru a target to create the largest permanent cavity possible. the impact of a bullet cannot knock a person over, or impede their movement in any way so, to design a bullet that stops *inside* the target (with the intention of imparting 100% of the bullets energy into the target) would be stupid.
a .45 caliber round that penetrates all the way thru a person is, hands down, more effective then an identical round that goes halfway.
I know we should let this die, but I absolutely hate statements like:
the only way to "knock them out of the fight" is to kill them.NavySupra said:
anyone with half a brain, and a search engine, knows that the 9x19 is designed to go all the way thru a target to create the largest permanent cavity possible. the impact of a bullet cannot knock a person over, or impede their movement in any way so, to design a bullet that stops *inside* the target (with the intention of imparting 100% of the bullets energy into the target) would be stupid.
a .45 caliber round that penetrates all the way thru a person is, hands down, more effective then an identical round that goes halfway.
Lt. said:
I disagree...
I'm not a ballistician, so I won't go on further explanations, but you may ask someone else to tell you why your statement is uncorrect.
Also: if someone's wearing armour wouldn't a bullet that penetrates (and at least does some damage) be preferable over a bullet that transfers all energy on impact, breaks a few ribs and leaves Mr. Enemy without permanent air-conditioning?
Depends on the type of armor. Stuff like the very new spider web protein will stop any bullet, but it won't stop it dead. It'll give a lot. So they put a metal plate behind it.
Lasersailor184 said:
Correction, it'll stop most *small-arms* bullets. Large-caliber autocannon and/or Gatling Gun rounds will easily shred it.
I was talking about 1 bullet. Any more then 1 bullet on any armor and all bets are out the window. Plus the spider web protein isn't used by itself. With a metal backing it will stop everything.
OMG, SaraP is back, anyhow if you do that math, spider protein is supposed to be thousands of times stronger than steel.
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It'll stop anything, but it stretches alot. So if you have spiderweb vest alone, it'll stop that .308 nato, but it'll stop it 3 inches behind the plane of the vest.
You buy the vest,I'll shoot a hole in it, with a .30 caliber bullet. 7.62X51 NATO to be precicise.
If there are'nt any rigid plates, I'll do it with a handgun.
body armor is intended to stop the 90% of the stuff out there. The remaining 10% of potential loads is too small a number to worry about. But it exists.
If there are'nt any rigid plates, I'll do it with a handgun.
body armor is intended to stop the 90% of the stuff out there. The remaining 10% of potential loads is too small a number to worry about. But it exists.
Lasersailor184 said:
Again, it'll only stop *small arms* rounds; there's no way it could possibly resist an autocannon round or a cannon-caliber Gatling round.
No but 12.7x99mm AP (perhaps with some DU for extra fun) rounds aren't completely out of the question, and if this vest can stop that I'm going to have to say something is serously fubar.
5.7X28MM anyone? 7.62X51MMM S.L.A.P.? Maybe some nice .30-06 handloads using a saboted, lathe turned monolithic solid projectile atop an insane amount of Bullseye?
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Corporal_Lib [BR]
Brazilian Graphic Designer & Gun Nut {=)
Not a metal...composite! Borum Carbonate (sorry, I´m guessing the name in english, maybe it´s incorrect) is already being used as balistic plate in the newest military vests! Combining Spyder Web Protein w/ BC and you will get the ubber vest! And SWP gives good pretection against melee weapons even!
But I always say: "all measure has it´s counter-measure", therefore, there will be more extreme AP rounds to pass through this new vest..{=(
Corporal_Lib [BR]
Brazilian Graphic Designer & Gun Nut {=)
That´s it! So it´s boron carbide plate the correct name... I´ve been using this model of futuristic vest (SWP+BCP) in my cyberpunk RPG scenario for over 7 years... it´s good to know my guess was right (CB is used in AH-64 Apache armor, so I foresaw it could be fit to a personnal military/enforcement vest...) {=)P
Boron-carbide plates bonded to Kevlar is more or less the standard armor for modern combat helicopters; it's found on not only the Apache but also the Cobra and Blackhawk.