Terrorist attack in Norway!
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You'd lay the blame on the country? I'm sure being someone who supports labor and lives in Norway deserves being killed.... No kids and families should have to suffer because one dillusional idiot decided that's how it should be done.
It is nothing but disgusting what some humans can do, especially to children.
It is nothing but disgusting what some humans can do, especially to children.
You'd have to get to some extremes for things like this to happen. Acts of violence have always happened but you have to admit there's a lot of ingredients in the society today that are simply encouraging them. I mean how many neglected and misguided individuals are out there building up a warped image of themselves and the world in isolation? Symbolically speaking, harming children is like saying, "I don't believe in the future".
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He doesn't seem a "neglected and misguided individual". He behaved exactly the same way as a so called "Muslim terrorist" that had his native land of Palestine, Iraq, Algeria, etc... looted and destroyed by Western European/U.S./Israel (neo-)colonialists. Of course those people that blow themselves up often have mental "disorders", depressions, delusions, etc... but so what? Wouldn't you if gunmen or a drone killed your family?
This slaughter is the other way around. A native European threatened in his native territory. If this Norwegian terrorist had anti-Islam or anti-foreigner motivations then the leaders better be pragmatic and solve the current tensions, because the backlash is not going away.
No. I blame the utopic left-wing European politicians as general rule, and the murderer in this particular case. What's your point anyway?
I'm reading this atm: http://pastebin.com/VbtqttGf
1.Anders Behring Breivik's comments with Document.no
2.23.07.2011 at. 04.50
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4.This is a complete list of comments Anders Behring Breivik has left at Document.no.
5.2010-10-29 14:08:40
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7. Thanks for the great effort to date, Hans and Document. You are doing an incredibly important job and is considered today to be one of very few ideological alternative voices. And you will be noticed from the country's parliamentary representatives and journalists. I would even argue that the Document has become a political force in Norway, as we all know that the country's elites secretly read Document weekly!You continue to make Norway a great service!
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9. I wish however to make some constructive criticism when it comes to Documents organizational and financial plans. Please do not take it personally
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11. Considering Documents modest economy and that in any case, are 50 talented writers in Norway who had willingly helped more active, I think it would be a very bad idea to focus 90% of Documents assets of a permanent reporter position. Today there are a plethora of essays and articles that requested distributed without financial compensation so why spend all the funds in a reporter position? I'm pretty sure that, under the circumstances, very costly position is liquidated in the course of a two-year period when I expect that you will eventually get to the same conclusion.
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13. It would be a pity if you ignored the suggestions and decided to squandered all the money in a potentially "politically correct" person with a background in the Marxist boot camp: Volda University College or any other journalist (Marxist) camps, etc.
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15. What you, however should focus economic is to develop "Concept Document" socially and organizationally, primarily through the development of this blog to a solution more like a social networking f such that is linked to similar organizations in other countries (similar to a beginning of a cultural Euro-version of a Tea Party movement).
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17. Alternatively, should you give out a monthly magazine that is distributed through Narvesen. I have already presented a detailed strategy for how this can be done. I collected all the offers from suppliers, I contacted even Narvesen and then submit this to you, Hans. Full distribution through Narvesen (2000 copies monthly magazine), can be produced for less than £. 35 000 per month, an investment guaranteed to provide "break-even" and could potentially result in twice the revenue! I do not understand why someone from the Document have not wanted to consider my proposal?
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19. You have, at present, access to a fleet of some of the brightest talents in most industries, that would be willing to work for free. This talent is now unused. So why use up 90% of Documents agents on a reporter position?
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21. I have worked with the project for 14 years with several projects related to web solutions, have the financial education + two other Bachelor's degrees, earned my first million as an entrepreneur at the age of 24 and have many friends who today are successful entrepreneurs in most industries. Several of my friends are experts on the development of social networking sites (one of them runs Deiligst.no, Norway's probably the most profitable online communities despite the frayed moral concept).
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23. The point of the illustration is that you have access to very valuable skills, free, as you now refuse you to use.
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25. I hope you will be willing to receive help in a much greater extent than you are today and instead use the modest funds for more essential costs, as outlined above.
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27. Anyway, get on! I support you 100% no matter what you ultimately have to choose ;-)
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29.2010-09-21 23:20:25
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31. The main axes are the economy and culture.
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33. They were right-wing culturally but economically leftist (not as extreme as the planned economy but still strong socialist). So it is equally wrong to call them right wing as the left extreme. They were both: P
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35. Liberals like of course to tag them as right wing, as well as anti-socialists refer to them as the left extreme.
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37. The third axis: authoritarian vs liberal is inappropriate to use as the main marker.
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39.2010-09-01 08:19:15
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41. Lasse Moer,
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43. Japan and South Korea is much clearer examples of countries that consistently and very direct dismissed multiculturalism. This stadfested those in the 70 -, 80 -, 90-number and this confirms the very day.
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45. The UN has for years been trying to push them to receive hundreds of thousands of refugees but the number has ended in a tiny fraction of the original claim. Europe has never chosen to run the psychological and economic warfare against them for this reason (as they do to European nations / individuals who espouse the same arguments and principles)
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47. Multiculturalists will be very embarrassed if you mention Japan and South Korea as these nations proves quite obvious that mass immigration is only a result of specific Marxist doctrines and very rarely economically or culturally privileged. Japan / South Korea has a border and border guards. If one lacks the visa one is denied passage ... (Europe had known this scheme prior 1950-1960)
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49. The interesting question is the, why are not Japanese and South Koreans demonized as the Nazis and fascists? The answer, we know ...
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51.2010-06-15 11:11:55
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53. Very good and very important article. Great work, Hans!
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55.2010-02-17 10:56:52
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57. The problem is that it often does not help about 80% of Muslims are "moderates", ie they ignore the Quran. "It takes very few people to overthrow a plane."
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59. What percentage is the Taliban of Pakistan's population? 1%, 3%, 5%? And how much chaos is there today?
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61. In every society where Islam exists there will be a certain percentage of the Muslims who actually follow the traditional interpretations of the Koran.
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63. And then we have the relationship between conservative Muslims and so-called "moderate Muslims".
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65. There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they're still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?
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67. Now it unfortunately already cut himself with Marxists who have already infiltrated-culture, media and educational organizations. These individuals will be tolerated and will even work as professors and lecturers at colleges / universities and are thus able to spread their propaganda.
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69. For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ. They are all supporters of hate-ideologies. Not all Muslims, Nazis and Marxists are conservative, most are moderate. But does it matter? A moderate Nazi might, after having experienced fraud, choose to be conservative. A moderate Muslim can, after being refused to enter a club, be conservative, etc.
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71. It is obvious that the moderate supporters of hate-ideologies, at a later date may choose conservatism.
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73. Islam (ism) has historically led to 300 million deaths
74. Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths
75. Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths
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77. ALL hate ideologies should be treated equally.
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79.2010-02-16 19:25:24
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81. According to two studies supports 13% of young British Muslims between 15 and 25 Al Qaeda ideology. UK representative for Norway, so I would guess that at least 15-20% of Norwegian Muslims support murder of gays. There is certainly no fewer that supports the killing of gays than to support Al Qaeda.
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83.2010-02-02 13:35:11
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85. I completely agree that Obama is a brilliant retoriker and communicator, one of the best we've seen over the past 30 years.
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87. But firstly, we can not and should not compare the cultural struggle in the U.S. with that in Europe. Rhetoric must and should be different. The average "right click" - Republican in the U.S. is a "libertarian" (anti-socialist but pro multikulti) while the average conservative in Europe is much more anti-multikulti but arguments based on cultural resistance against Islamization.
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89. The so-called anti-multiculti in the U.S. based their rhetoric on ethnocentrism alone which thus differs greatly from Europeans. This is the main reason that we must separate the American and European cultural struggle. I usually stay away from American issues as a result.
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91. Regardless of whether we are in the U.S. or Europe, it is essential you have to ask about the following:
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93. When was that multiculturalism ceased to be an ideology designed to deconstruct a European culture, traditions, identity and nation-states? If you support a leader who propagate multikulti (ideology as of this writing systematically deconstructs Western civilization), one can not then just as well stick to the class struggle or the MSM?
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95. And if we then think that multiculturalism wonderful doctrines is the main cause of the ongoing Islamization of Europe and the U.S., one should not criticize multiculturalism while leading No. 1, the one Jesus Christ Obama for his fundamental principles?
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97. Failure to criticize him, you have not then accepted the multiculturalism wonderful premise?
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A video he uploaded before the act, apparently. Didn't watch all of it myself, tldr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avMHN16Y1s
I guess he thinks he's a templar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avMHN16Y1s
I guess he thinks he's a templar?
He also published a book of no less than 1500 disturbing pages. It also contains a diary of the last 80 days leading up to the attack, Its written in English.
http://norskgoy.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/anders-behring-breivik-manifest/
http://norskgoy.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/anders-behring-breivik-manifest/
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This is unimaginably disgusting to hear about. It just goes to show evil can lurk behind the guise of any religion or movement or cause. This guy deserves to be executed.
Not just any religion or movement, any person. It's probable that deep down somewhere everyone has the capacity to do terrible things like this.
But the people he gunned down, none of them deserved anything like this, ffs.
What? A grown man that lives with their mother and played Wow/COD all the time, was probably habouring anger/hate against his own countrymen and hanging out with right wingers isn't misguided?
How about simply saying that he's a social outcast which is probably closer to the truth? I don't really see the difference between what this guy has done and the psychiatric case that killed a few babies in a Belgian nursery a while ago. Whoopee, lots of babies slashed with a knife and blood all over the place. I bet both incidents brought up a few sick jokes on the internet forums showing how pathetic unchecked egos can become online. Even sicker still is the details given out by today's news. God of media please give us more dramatic details for us to mindlessly ingest and forget the next day because our minds have become accustomed to daily violence. And the sad fact is that some events like these were entirely preventable.
It's simple. Life in western society has been sucking hardcore for the past 20 years because of the constant and insane drive for profitability. With all the unnecessary economic bullshit and the increasing discrimination left and right the lid is bound to fly off every now and then. It even shows in workplace with people taking pleasure in making a selected collegue's life hell. Look at all the suicides at France Telecom. The situation stinks. We'd all be in a state of world war right now if it weren't for the resolutions taken 60 years ago. Expect more of acts like this in the years to come until politicians wake up and tackle the root cause which is social isolation.
Also, do you think you're so different from this guy? I'm not just asking you but everyone here. He has arms, legs and a brain just like you. He probably went to a similar school and met similar people. If you were truly miserable, angry and didn't know how to change your situation you'd be prepared to gollop any ideas that fit your view of things. That's human nature. And by then whatever moral views stopping you from killing other people would simply dissolve over time. It doesn't take much, just ask anyone who's in the forces and has had to use lethal force. The only thing that would stop you from taking that route is how solid your upbringing was and not your fears/inhibitions because they're an illusion.
Honestly, tell me you don't face palm when you see people on the news when people say things like, "oh he seemed like such a nice/quiet person" after a killing or suicide. Durrr, it was probably an accident waiting to happen. I call that neglect because however selfish someone is it doesn't excuse the civil duty of signaling that someone is displaying dangerous behaviour. And if the police doesn't give a damn, that's their problem.
Exactly.
The dragonslayer becomes the dragon once he has killed the beast. Execution solves nothing and only answers the talion law (eye for an eye...). Focus on the root of the problem and prevention.
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