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masamax said:
Well said Jaunty.
The fact is gays want to be EQUAL. There are going to be positive and negative aspects of this just like making blacks equal caused (AND CONTINUES TO CAUSE). Frankly, using the excuse "Oh, but so and so would have to do such bad things" (snicker) is a copout. Gays deserve the same rights as every other couple. One can't deny them that based on things they think MIGHT happen that maybe could possible offend people.
As for gay people on minority lists, have you LOOKED at today's world. Does anyone remembed that 17 year old gay boy who was killed? I can't remember his name but he was beated to death viciously because he was gay. It's not like he was the first one. Homosexuals have been persecuted for thousasnds of years. Just because the reason they are in a minority is their sexual preference doesn't make it less so. It's esspecially the areas of the US like the southern states where people still wave their confederate flags and complain about n*****s taking all their job opprotunities etc etc etc.
His name was Matthew Shepard. He was beaten to death because he liked getting cornholed/doing a bit of cornholing.
The fears expressed by Zündfolge and SaraP come from their tainted observations of what's happened in the past with other minorities. That has to be understood and accepted for the rediculous exaggerations of fact which they are. They're scared that the government will use Gay Marriage as an excuse to make a grab for power and foce everybody to accept gays as natural. Oh no. What a total f
ucking travesty that would be. This would of course, be part of the conspiracy to
destroy Christianity in America turn America atheist, as evidenced by the latest tinfoil hat theory to come out of Zundfolge. (Which must be correct because he reads Reason magazine, and they certainly don't serve any corporate agenda whatsoever! Fair and balanced all the way!) See below (boldface is mine).
Zündfolge said:
Jaunty, I've lived here for all of my 34 years ... there is a war against Christianity here. From the ACLU to the DNC there is a concerted effort to make the official "religion" of the US Athiesm.
You are so blinded by your anti American bigotry and hatred you are no better then one who burns crosses or wraps themselves in explosives and kills children. I have lost all hope that you are capable of rational thought.
YOU are the twit and I'm done with your asinine anti-logical bullsh*t ramblings ... thank you and goodnight
I didn't even truncate the irrelevant stuff, lest I be accused of distorting the evidence or taking it out of context.
Now here's why they didn't just say "gays should be allowed to get married" and let that be the end of it. Their problem, from my understanding, doesn't actually reside with the marriage of gays. They're indifferent to that. They are however,
batshit fucking insane paranoid. So they should be, too. On a global basis, they're in a serious minority. Outside of the US, I don't think I've heard anybody say "Well it'd be nice if gays could get married but I think the government might try and take over the world if we let them.**" Evidence of the paranoia is courtosey of SaraP (as if the above isn't enough), who's told us how woefully awful the courts are, but didn't actually show us why (I'm still waiting to see the court ruling which forces someone to hire, wed, or otherwise accept a gay person for any reason.)
SaraP said:
However, the courts can and are currently trying to say "You have doctrinal objections to hiring gays? Whoop de ****in' do, too bad."
Like I said, show me.
I like this gem from page 1, too;
SaraP said:
That is why I've voted against every gay-rights law that's been proposed in California -- all of those proposed laws try to define gays as a minority group, which would make it illegal to "discriminate" against them and therefore effectively guarantees their victory in lawsuits of that kind. I even successfully argued this to a lesbian couple I'm friends which, which made my ego very big.
Oh f
ucking no, how dare we protect what's probably the most persecuted social group in history from being beaten to death just because they're gay. But then again, you're right, nobody would do something like that in America anyw... o wai
The worst thing about all of this though. The thing that really makes my blood boil, is that you don't even care what these laws mean. Ask Matthew Shepard's parents if they think Hate Crime Laws are unfair. Ask them if they think that it's unfair to prosecute people for
fucking killing someone just because they hate that person's choice of lifestyle. Ask them if they think it's unfair to punish people not only for first degree murder, but to punish them for committing it for such a stupid, meaningless reason. Ask them if it's unfair that their child be protected from persecution because he likes it in the butt. I think their answer would either be a resounding "GET THE F
UCK OFF OUR PROPERTY!" or "Do you even need to ask?"
To you, this is just big government trying to make itself bigger and force <hated agenda of the week> onto <current majority group under threat from hated agenda of the week>. You don't care about the people this will benefit. All you care about is making sure you slam these laws down because you're so deluded and self-righteous that you actually think the government even gives enough of a s
hit about you to actually harm you.
This is not a f
ucking issue of government. I'm more anti-government than the entire forum put together, and by some twist of fate, I manage to see that
THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH DISCRIMINATION LAWS, NOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, NOR YOUR FAVOURITE WACKY LIBERAL PINKO JUDGE AND HIS DECISIONS. It's about fags. They want to get married to other fags. You can't handle it because you live in the f
ucking stone age. Trust me on this one, people. I do happen to live in the city with more gays than any other city on Earth. Believe me, a couple of guys kissing and saying some magic words is not the end of the world. The rapture won't come early, Jesus won't hate you for not meeting your fag-death quota, and the world will not end on new years eve because a guy got another guy's turd on his johnson. I'd say the lack of anything more dangerous than a Strela launcher in a certain desert country is slightly more important than where people are sticking their dicks or tongues.
So in conclusion; You're heartless c
unts.
ADHD version: Zundfolge and SaraP are scared the government will use Gay Marriage as an excuse to push new interpretations of law onto people, including hate crimes legislation, which is a terrible thing because we should all be free to get away with beating the s
hit out of people for being different. The US was founded on freedom, and god damnit, that means the freedom to hate stuff and beat the s
hit out of it just because it's different!
And Sara, I'm still waiting to see that court ruling.
Not your interpretation of a court ruling, or Birt Hume's interpretation of a court ruling, just the court ruling as it was entered into public record.
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**It's called hyperbole, don't even f
ucking try to pick me up on it.
