Shark Cage Diving

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MadWoffen

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Just stay in the cage with "door" closed. If for a weird (like an assassination attempt) reason the cage collapse, try to avoid staying in the same spot as the apetizers (and the cloud of blood it generates) that are served to the shark and try to avoid making noise.
But the most important: keep a visual contact with the shark while fleeing it.
 

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MadWoffen said:
1) learn first to dive, real diving
2) if you like it, well, why not...

IMO, this is kinda stupid diving for tourists. If you really respect sharks, you shouldn't enter in this kind of thing. Diving with great whites without cage is possible yet dangerous because they are often found in rather poor visibility waters. But with proper training, it is possible if you like risks. A biologist in South Africa is used to do free diving with white sharks. It has several divings in his logs and was never attacked.
Diving with sharks is fun as long as you respect them. Read: don't touch them, don't wake them, don't bother them... and it should be ok. Even pacific sharks like the nurse shark (dunno if the translation is good) are known to have attacked a diver that was bothering them in their sleep/refuge.

Some sharks remain dangerous however. They can be "approached" by day light without too much danger but you better avoid them at night when they become frenzy in search of food.

Some sharks are better to be avoided at all times like the Tiger Shark or the Mako. And yes, try not looking like a seal when you're diving: avoid staying in surface (horizontally or legs down). You better try to face the shark vertically and push its nose if he comes too close...but that's theory.
I heard some electrical device set on the air tank were quite efficient in disorienting sharks coming too close by disturbing their sensors.



I take it you are a diver (saw your pic in the other thread) so you won't hear any arguing from my side ;) I would love to learn how to dive, but, I live 8 hours drive from the nearest beach and I also don't have the time or funds to spend on "real diving". I can appreciate that you would feel the real thing would be better, diving with them without a cage, but to me that is just not an option right now, although I would really, *really* like to see them in their natural habitat. So to me the better option would be to go down to the Cape, have my stupid one day scuba course and the next day go for a shark cage dive. I know it's not as glamorous as being brave and swimming with them without protection, but I still think wussies like me who love sharks could use this option, although, if I knew that it really is disrupting the sharks in some way, I wouldn't do it, but I can't think of a reason why, unless you give me one of course :)
 

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I didn't notice you lived in the Cape. So why not, you can still make a week-end trip to enjoy it. If you like it, ok...if not, at least you didn't make such a big trip for that. I mean, some pepople may find themselves disapointed by being "handled" from start to finally only be in cage for 10 minutes just after paying the fee. Imagine someone coming from Europe, he could be rather dispaointed.
As being disrupting to the white shark, that's a tough question I think even a marine biologist would not be able to answer properly to this question. Great whites are amongst the most intelligent hunters and one of the only shark in the world to see above water (read: to have conscience of a world above the sea). They are also migratory and their social interaction is still a mistery and lot has still to be discovered. I think this would be the main point for a biologist against white shark feeding: to "pollute" the social study of the shark with artificial interferences.

A small side note: the great white is in fact...blue. Only the belly is white but according to some witnesses (serious ones) and oral tradition, there is a real white shark between the western region of Australia (IIRC) and Madagascar which length would be of...20 to 40 meters! None has ever been captured but there are some few physical evidences: in 1954, a merchant ship thought it hit a reef. When they entered the dock for repairs (in Adelaide), they noticed a circle of 2 meters arount the propeller made of teeth of 20 cm of average. According to specialist, that shark should be at least of 24 meters... Quite an huge monster and twice the size of the bigger white shark captured/killed. These same teeth have been found by an oceanographic ship, the Challenger, in the 19th century. These teeth were not fossilized but correspond point to point to ancient sharks' teeth considered vanished now for several thousands years: the Megalodon.
But a tooth is not sufficient for modern biology to acknowledge the existence of an animal. You need to have one complete to do so.
There are still a lot to explore in the deeps. ;-)

P.S.: diving isn't that expensive altough it depends which system you use. Make a check among the several diving federations you must have in SA.

"Amor e morte": any Portuguese origine by chance ? (I'm born in Angola).
 

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MadWoffen said:
I didn't notice you lived in the Cape. So why not, you can still make a week-end trip to enjoy it. If you like it, ok...if not, at least you didn't make such a big trip for that. I mean, some pepople may find themselves disapointed by being "handled" from start to finally only be in cage for 10 minutes just after paying the fee. Imagine someone coming from Europe, he could be rather dispaointed.
As being disrupting to the white shark, that's a tough question I think even a marine biologist would not be able to answer properly to this question. Great whites are amongst the most intelligent hunters and one of the only shark in the world to see above water (read: to have conscience of a world above the sea). They are also migratory and their social interaction is still a mistery and lot has still to be discovered. I think this would be the main point for a biologist against white shark feeding: to "pollute" the social study of the shark with artificial interferences.

A small side note: the great white is in fact...blue. Only the belly is white but according to some witnesses (serious ones) and oral tradition, there is a real white shark between the western region of Australia (IIRC) and Madagascar which length would be of...20 to 40 meters! None has ever been captured but there are some few physical evidences: in 1954, a merchant ship thought it hit a reef. When they entered the dock for repairs (in Adelaide), they noticed a circle of 2 meters arount the propeller made of teeth of 20 cm of average. According to specialist, that shark should be at least of 24 meters... Quite an huge monster and twice the size of the bigger white shark captured/killed. These same teeth have been found by an oceanographic ship, the Challenger, in the 19th century. These teeth were not fossilized but correspond point to point to ancient sharks' teeth considered vanished now for several thousands years: the Megalodon.
But a tooth is not sufficient for modern biology to acknowledge the existence of an animal. You need to have one complete to do so.
There are still a lot to explore in the deeps. ;-)

P.S.: diving isn't that expensive altough it depends which system you use. Make a check among the several diving federations you must have in SA.

"Amor e morte": any Portuguese origine by chance ? (I'm born in Angola).


Oh, misunderstanding, I don't live in the Cape, I live up here in Gangster's Paradise, Gauteng, more specifically, Pretoria. The closet beach to me is 8 hours drive, but that's on the North coast, no Great Whites there. I have to go down to The Cape, which is about 16 hours drive with a car. That's why I meant it's a bit impossible for me to do regular visits to learn how to dive :) It's not really the equipment and lessons I'm worried about, more the distance, accomodation etc....kind of eat into ones pocket ;)

You are right, proving that cage dives are harmful to them is unclear. I've been looking around on the web now, a question was raised about the fact that they see the humans as bait, because everytime they have this food falling from above, there are humans about, and through the process of conditioning they might eventually be more aggressive towards humans. However, this is being disputed because Great Whites are such nomadic creatures, their territories range over vast areas, even continents (I didn't know that) and research shows that they never stay in one spot long enough to become conditioned. Also the fact that sharks cannot mentally seperate the cage from the humans inside plays a factor in that statement.

I knew about Great Sharks being blue and the belly white, but the story you told of the Giant Great Whites is completely news to me. I never really questioned why they are called Great Whites. Truly interesting that. I would think twice about cage diving if that was the standard size for them :p I wonder if it's true, it would be marvellous if it was :) The deep sea is a mystical place yeah?

While browsing for info I came across this sad news: 100,000,000 sharks are killed each year by humans, usually through fishing. They are, as a result, on a collision course with extinction. Great White Sharks are the last wild predator on earth that we cannot tame; from that point of view alone it deserves our respect and attention. They cannot replace their stocks to keep up with human exploitation, such as say, sardines can. The Great White Shark female takes approximately 15 years to become sexually mature, and the male about 8 years. At these ages the female will be around five meters long and the male around four meters long. The Great White Sharks' fecundity is low, so the female may possibly only give birth to several litters of pups in a lifetime and these litters are relatively small, ranging from about seven to eleven pups in a litter. So due to the shark's inability to reproduce quickly, stock replacement is not occurring and subsequently the populations of the world are fast diminishing. In fact, they are being wiped out far quicker than most people realise, with many species critically endangered and some species literally on the brink of extinction. And that makes me feel sick :(

I take it you have left Angola a long time ago, to Belgium then? The African continent is going downhill fast, you can be lucky you don't live here anymore, although, I do think Angola is a tad bit safer than what SA is right now :p

"Amor e Morte" is Latin, it means "Love and Death" :) Sounds portugese doesn't it? :)

Thank you for all the interesting facts :tup:
 

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I know my latin thank you. But it's also exactly the same in Portuguese and I was just wondering since a lot of Portuguese fled to South Africa in the 70's.

As for the story of the white shark, I believe it even if we still didn't capture an entire specimen to accredit the stories. We find a lot of evidences proving its existence.
This is just like the giant squids. We had some evidence some years ago by foraging in the stomach of spermwhales but "scientific" evidence of it. Since then, a few specimen have been found but none was ever seen alive or filmed alive...

I found back the articles about it but they are in french, I post them anyway. Those are excerpt from the "Hippocampe", the official dive magasine of the Belgian diving federation (french speaking division).
I add some pages about a new specie of giant squid found this year...in the April fool's day...
But it's a real one, armed with "teeth" on its tentacles (don't show this to some Japanese freak or we'll get some new gore pron around). A small note about it, this "little" squid is (after analysis) an immature female, read: a child.
 

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