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Discussion in 'Nali City' started by Sarevok, Jun 5, 2004.

  1. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    we cant change the scheme easily anymore, cause then you get even more different standard and scored reviews..

    if you do want a new system then imo it should be just 1 number, no maths no nothing
    if you need to do a math sum to find how how much a map is worth you have a problem,
    its art and art is the opposite of maths
     
  2. MassChAoS

    MassChAoS echo "NaliCity";

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    if its just one number, the reviewer would have to throughly explain why he gave that number... maybe even moreso than with three numbers.

    But I don't mind it being 1 number... easy on the backend :p
     
  3. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    maybe like giving him 5 fields to type in, 1 freestyle field, and 3 others are meant for talking about visuals, technical and gameplay
    so its like


    Review : omgblabla


    Conclusions
    Visual : OMG LIGHT SUX AND TOO MUCH BLUE AROUND SO THIS DRAGS DOWN MAIN SCORE
    Tech : OPMG ALL WALLS ARE NON SOLID
    Gameplay: BlA

    Overall : Great map for all low grav insta players ! specially the unique technical things make this map stand out !


    so that reviewer HAS to write a short text about all 3, just to sum it up, freestyle field can still hold anything else he wants like it is atm
    just an idea
     
  4. Bot_40

    Bot_40 Go in drains

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    I was a fan of keeping scores completely seperate, and calling them something more obvious like Envioronment, Gameplay and Technical. Then a score just shows up as (5,7,7) or something like that so at a glance you could see if a map is good gameplay wise of good on visuals etc.
    Of course I guess that would be pretty impossible to impliment now I guess :)
     
  5. MassChAoS

    MassChAoS echo "NaliCity";

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    Well, it would be really easy to rename what we currently have :p
     
  6. MassChAoS

    MassChAoS echo "NaliCity";

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    If you want a different schema for NC4, flesh it out and develop it in a different thread. If not... why discuss?
     
  7. Zlal

    Zlal New but not improved.

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    i like the idea of havng three different sections but the sections themselves suck and confuse

    Should just be
    Visuals-
    Gameplay-
    Technical-

    rather than
    Awe
    Cast
    Build

    because there are things in cast that link directly with things in build.
    Make more sense to just call them by what they really are, IMO.
     
  8. Ironblayde

    Ironblayde Director of Misanthropy

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    If that's true then we shouldn't be giving numerical scores at all. Even with a single score, a mapper might be so insolent as to perform a mathematical comparison between his score and another to determine which map is better, or in extreme cases, perhaps even a heinous act of division (heaven forfend!) to determine what percentage of a perfect score he's attained. And we can't have that. Also, we should not encourage people to use the grid for BSP work any more, because I hear you have to use multiples of a power of two to do so, and we wouldn't want that dirty mathematics to interfere with a work of art.

    ;)

    Seriously, if we had some kind of Rube Goldberg system for determining a score that involved some heavy statistics, complex integrals, and measurements of trace amounts of radioactive substances secreted by the mapper's brain, and which only nine people living could fully understand, then you could rightly accuse the system of being overanalytical. But a sum of three scores hardly fits the bill in my eyes. It's a logical approach, one that makes it easier to come up with a justified score, and that reduces possible discrepancies in how different reviewers approach the schema.
     
  9. Bot_40

    Bot_40 Go in drains

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    But if you keep 3 scores seperate then there's no problem. If a map has good visuals but crap gameplay and lags like ****, you can see it straight away plus it would completely elliminate people saying the score is biased towards visuals/whatever :)
     
  10. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    3 numbers as bot said is way to confusing
    say youre a noob
    you open nalicity, see a number and within 0.1 sec you must understand whats the deal with the map, without first having to read some faq on how to read it
    people leave then

    the names really are overly complicated too, and certainly for non native english speakers, cast wtf, awe wtf, only build is more or less understandable
    i still have no utter idea whats the real meaning behind the word "awe", i know its suppose to represent visuals on nc, but further then that i have no idea what kind of word it actualy is

    when i review ironblayde i play map and i just come up with a number, it pops up in my mind in big giant flashying red neon light, 6 6 6 6 6 6, so i give map a 6 and then go see "how can i divide this 6 so it fits the awe cast and build score, oh lets do 1 for that, 2 for this, and then we have erm, 3 left so lets score other one 3"
    that doesnt work
    you feel what quality a map is like, you dont start ut and say "oh awesome this is a 2/3 build map and a 1.5/3 awe map", no you feel the general score
    anything else is not natural

    when this system was chosen there was a discussion about pleasing 2 groups of people, on 1 hand the group who like everything in numbers and very precise, and on other hand the people who want to know if a map is good or not but dont care at all about numbers, the group who wants a happy smiley face and a 2 line conclusion saying what the map is like
    a single number review is the middle of these 2 groups, it is rightly in between the 2 opposites and has an element of both sides
     
  11. Ironblayde

    Ironblayde Director of Misanthropy

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    Bot: True, but the individual category scores are already listed at the top of every review, and users have the ability to search for maps using category scores as search criteria... so what's the harm in having the final score listed as well? There should be some measure of a map's overall appeal.

    Hour: Actually, I do come up with category scores in my mind before worrying about the final score. Nine times out of ten, when I add them up, I look at the overall score and find that it sums up my thoughts nicely. Once in awhile I'll end up with a final score that strikes me as a little high or low, and I'll go back and look at the categories more closely to see if I was perhaps evaluating something incorrectly, but for the most part the category approach works for me. It's all a matter of preference, I suppose.

    Also, I know that a lot of people who visit the site haven't read the review schema, and go by the final score alone when checking out our reviews, but eliminating the categories isn't going to make things any easier for anyone. The final score is already there, and it's already representative of a reviewer's overall opinion, so what's the problem? If someone doesn't care about how the score is broken down, let him just ignore that part of the review. Someone else will care about all the details, though, and so it's good to have the additional information at hand.
     
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  12. Ironblayde

    Ironblayde Director of Misanthropy

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    I will agree, though, that the category names are a little gimmicky. I think I like Shadowlurker's suggestion about renaming them to be more descriptive. It would make the purposes of the category scores more obvious to someone who's never been to NC before.
     
  13. Hourences

    Hourences New Member

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    there isnt a big problem with it, apart from the names and the max 9 its doable but it still could be made easier imo and more to the point, is this map good yes or no

    maybe we can make a poll ? on nc main and not the forums, no one visits those and linking to the forums wont help a lot either i think

    tho my prediction is that most people will vote "its ok" :)
     
  14. Bot_40

    Bot_40 Go in drains

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    If there is an overall score max of 10 then you also now have the problem of how you split that into 3. Might be better to have all 3 scores out of 10 then just use the average like NC2 but with less catagories?
     
  15. Manticore

    Manticore Official BUF Birthday Spammer

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    Chaos..........

    Nice avatar. I know it's probably artifice but it looks like a bit of a cloud chamber effect...... all those whirling particles.

    Sorry, I've just gone off-topic.....
     
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  16. Ironblayde

    Ironblayde Director of Misanthropy

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    It's adapted from a logo for the band Opeth. :)
     

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