Road to Khandahar. What a waste!

[spm1138]

IRL a sniper would use his scope and would normally not carry a binoc around with him. Why use binocs if I can use my beloved scope... and the AOV can be quite large if you use a good scope.

Wouldn't scanning for targets be the spotter's job?

 

[TOAD]

Wouldn't scanning for targets be the spotter's job?

Yes that would be the prefered method, but sometimes snipers don't have the luxury of having a spotter.

 

[zeep]

Would you believe i've yet to play this map online?!?!?
I joined a game once and it had just ended, i've never played it from the start.

*cough* http://www.fileplanet.com/features/bestof2003/ go vote infiltration

 

[Turin_Turambar]

To Beppo, Duke, Toad and Yurch: i´´m still want a binoculars mutator. Something realistic, of course.

 

[FieldMedic]

Played only one time this map online.

As i never use sniper rifle myself , on the first round i tried all the possible ways i saw from the spawn point to the CD , but always ended being killed by a PSG-1/Robar , frustrating when you avoid death several times by sneaking around and approach the CD

Then next round after being killed again on my first life by a robar addict , i decided to take a Robar to see if it was so easy to do that or if i was just incredibly predictable.

And, without real training (just 3/4 sessions on the Training Range) on this weapon , i was surprised to kill so easily those random people trying to go to the CD with it, and killing opposite sniper too.
And it ended with snipers vs snipers match , as in a TDM , as the CD was forgotten until the time was elapsed.

I think the idea of one sniper by team is a very good idea on RTK , if it was possible to have a mutator attached to this very specific map without affecting the whole server rotation .

 

[NTKB]

To Beppo, Duke, Toad and Yurch: i´´m still want a binoculars mutator. Something realistic, of course.

Preferably a zoomable one like on the rc50 scope.

 

[TOAD]

The situation here is not how scopes ruin the gameplay on RTK, I'm sorry to say but it is partly the map's fault. When both sides know the enemy has snipers waiting to pop them, it's pretty much suicidal to attempt to retrieve the CD in day light condition in such an open area. One would have much better chance to retrieve the CD and get a way under cover of darkness... unless they have NVG scopes, in that case who ever is going for the CD is once again SOL

Edit: You guys want a realistic game, well this is a realistic problem (snipers and open area), some of you want to "solve" the problem by forcing no scopes... can't do that IRL. Why do we have snipers popping each other? Because maybe they don't really care about death... grab a Robar, kill 3 or 4... maybe get popped once... respawn and repeat.

 

[NTKB]

The situation here is not how scopes ruin the gameplay on RTK, I'm sorry to say but it is partly the map's fault. When both sides know the enemy has snipers waiting to pop them, it's pretty much suicidal to attempt to retrieve the CD in day light condition in such an open area. One would have much better chance to retrieve the CD and get a way under cover of darkness... unless they have NVG scopes, in that case who ever is going for the CD is once again SOL

Edit: You guys want a realistic game, well this is a realistic problem (snipers and open area), some of you want to "solve" the problem by forcing no scopes... can't do that IRL. Why do we have snipers popping each other? Because maybe they don't really care about death... grab a Robar, kill 3 or 4... maybe get popped once... respawn and repeat.

I partially agree. Some ppl dont want to get popped but to most people its all about numbers (I learned matches where I get the most kills is usually the matches I lose for some reason). But I think its more than fair to force no scopes on a daylight map like RtK. Perhaps if the map was nighttime that would be a different story, but even then it would be easy with the way mappers do there lighting. Since most people use brightness 11 a mapper should make it almost pitch black so only faint outlines could be seen and flashlights used.

 

[NeoLancer]

I partially agree. Some ppl dont want to get popped but to most people its all about numbers (I learned matches where I get the most kills is usually the matches I lose for some reason). But I think its more than fair to force no scopes on a daylight map like RtK. Perhaps if the map was nighttime that would be a different story, but even then it would be easy with the way mappers do there lighting. Since most people use brightness 11 a mapper should make it almost pitch black so only faint outlines could be seen and flashlights used.

Is there a way to prevent players from using the brightness setting? Or is that hardcoded into UT? Would be a good idea to code that if it is possible, would put everyone on the same playing level in that sense. Also, RtK does need a nighttime variant.

Also, RtK would be interesting if the terrain was reversed...player spawning at the bottom of the hill and having to move up it...might create spawn camping probs, but with proper cover up the hill sides, could be fun.

 

[NTKB]

Is there a way to prevent players from using the brightness setting? Or is that hardcoded into UT? Would be a good idea to code that if it is possible, would put everyone on the same playing level in that sense. Also, RtK does need a nighttime variant.

Also, RtK would be interesting if the terrain was reversed...player spawning at the bottom of the hill and having to move up it...might create spawn camping probs, but with proper cover up the hill sides, could be fun.

Brightness setting should not and will not be forced to any setting. I mentioned this eons ago when I first started playing INF but now I see why. Some people have older or ****tier monitors so there screen isnt as bright as others. What really needs to be done is make night time maps truely night time. Where flashlights and others things would need to be used. Im not talking pitch black im talking dark enough where only faint shadows can be seen only within 50-100 meters, maybe less. RtK is one of those maps where the mapper messed up the most in one important aspect. Random spawns. It really needs it.

 

[Vega-don]

RTK is Just fine .

 

[erehwoN]

RtK is one of those maps where the mapper messed up the most in one important aspect. Random spawns. It really needs it.

I whole heartedly disagree. In theory, it would be nice to have, but in application it would be very detrimental to gameplay. It would be almost impossible to be able to prevent spawn camping with random spawns on RTK. If spawns were anywhere on the map besides where they currently are placed, you are open to sniper fire from almost any part of the map. Throw the spawns in a bunker you say? Again, the exit can be sniped from many parts of the map. Mostar's random spawns works so well because the layout of the map allows protection for each spawn. RTK does not have that luxury.

 

[Demosthanese]

The situation here is not how scopes ruin the gameplay on RTK, I'm sorry to say but it is partly the map's fault. When both sides know the enemy has snipers waiting to pop them, it's pretty much suicidal to attempt to retrieve the CD in day light condition in such an open area. One would have much better chance to retrieve the CD and get a way under cover of darkness... unless they have NVG scopes, in that case who ever is going for the CD is once again SOL

Edit: You guys want a realistic game, well this is a realistic problem (snipers and open area), some of you want to "solve" the problem by forcing no scopes... can't do that IRL. Why do we have snipers popping each other? Because maybe they don't really care about death... grab a Robar, kill 3 or 4... maybe get popped once... respawn and repeat.

Which is more realistic?
A) Two squads of men carrying Robars and PSG-1 into a battle at ranges of 400 meters.
B) Two squads of men armed with assault rifles with occasional M203s and SAWs for support.

Did you see the footage of the battle at the port of umkhazaar(SP?) Dozens
of marines entrenched several hundred meters from a building that housed
Iraqi troops firing at our troops. They were firing M16s toward the building,
not the berret Sniper Rifles. Eventually, they used a Javalin rocket to destroy
the building.

 

[keihaswarrior]

Eventually, they used a Javelin rocket to destroy
the building.

I agree with demo. Javelin's do kick ass


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Fear the Spear

 

[NTKB]

I whole heartedly disagree. In theory, it would be nice to have, but in application it would be very detrimental to gameplay. It would be almost impossible to be able to prevent spawn camping with random spawns on RTK. If spawns were anywhere on the map besides where they currently are placed, you are open to sniper fire from almost any part of the map. Throw the spawns in a bunker you say? Again, the exit can be sniped from many parts of the map. Mostar's random spawns works so well because the layout of the map allows protection for each spawn. RTK does not have that luxury.

I disagree in that the mapper could have made the spawns behind mountains, so the party spawning would always be somewhat protected. Its up to the mapper to make sure this kind of thing does not occur.

 

[TOAD]

Which is more realistic?
A) Two squads of men carrying Robars and PSG-1 into a battle at ranges of 400 meters.
B) Two squads of men armed with assault rifles with occasional M203s and SAWs for support.

Did you see the footage of the battle at the port of umkhazaar(SP?) Dozens
of marines entrenched several hundred meters from a building that housed
Iraqi troops firing at our troops. They were firing M16s toward the building,
not the berret Sniper Rifles. Eventually, they used a Javalin rocket to destroy
the building.

A and B are both realistic. If INF was a simulation of US armed force then B would be more realistic, but INF is not simulating any real world fighting organization is it?

 

[erehwoN]

I disagree in that the mapper could have made the spawns behind mountains, so the party spawning would always be somewhat protected. Its up to the mapper to make sure this kind of thing does not occur.

Pick a mountain, and I'll give you a half dozen (at least) spots from which I can snipe that position. Here, I'll even help you.

 

[NTKB]

Pick a mountain, and I'll give you a half dozen (at least) spots from which I can snipe that position. Here, I'll even help you.

How about random spawns that change every wave?

 

[ninjin]

i tend to play "raid the enemy trench" on that map

 

[OpFor]

A and B are both realistic. If INF was a simulation of US armed force then B would be more realistic, but INF is not simulating any real world fighting organization is it?

Well if INF isnt meant ot be realistic, then what is it meant to be? I know of no forces ANYWHERE, or even why everyone in some sort of looney gun cult would carry a sniper rifle. It just isnt practical. And not realistic no matter how you try to justify it.