Religious/Evolutionary Debate Thread
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W0RF said:
How I'm lumping anyone? This is a two way discussion. You either choose to participate or you don't. A debate by definition is a nice way of saying pissing match. I sided with the other evolutionists in here, even when we disagreed. You can disagree with Red Fist but still believe in the same idea of creationism. In fact I was surprised that you actually defended his convention thing. There is no way I'd agree with something like the notion he implied if I was on his side. You should have just said you disagreed with him right then and there.
I like how I'm suddenly bringing up the crusades too
.W0RF said:
...Then why not bring it up? Why post in the thread when you clearly don't want to?
Well my main idea is,
In this MODERN age,(death -no death) the people who don't believe in creation make an ass out of themselvs.
C,mon Scientists getting pissed all because this group who ran the convention is somthing like ("correct coricculum......somthing") whom they wanted to diguss that teaching creation is not a bad thing,as well as telling about darwin ,and other school classes.
So all because of that they boycotted the convention,wich is rediculas,are they so self absorbed as to go that far ,and not insert there 2cents into this thing the group hosted?
Hence,if they are that intolerent,how can they speak that not teaching creation is the way things should be.
and or
people who seem to believe there is no god is doing the exact thing that these wars were started over,accept in the name of religion.
It is not scientific to finger religion as the bad, and teaching there is no god is good.
I say they should teach both,no wars LoL,but no ACLU either...................
In this MODERN age,(death -no death) the people who don't believe in creation make an ass out of themselvs.
C,mon Scientists getting pissed all because this group who ran the convention is somthing like ("correct coricculum......somthing") whom they wanted to diguss that teaching creation is not a bad thing,as well as telling about darwin ,and other school classes.
So all because of that they boycotted the convention,wich is rediculas,are they so self absorbed as to go that far ,and not insert there 2cents into this thing the group hosted?
Hence,if they are that intolerent,how can they speak that not teaching creation is the way things should be.
and or
people who seem to believe there is no god is doing the exact thing that these wars were started over,accept in the name of religion.
It is not scientific to finger religion as the bad, and teaching there is no god is good.
I say they should teach both,no wars LoL,but no ACLU either...................
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Evil_Cope said:Seriously, someone should just lock this thread. Its dead, cancerous, aborted.
Start a new one, at least, if you must grab the wrong end of each other's sticks.
Fu<kin' aye
This is kinda stupid.
A two-way discussion would not invoke "you guys", plural.Mister_Prophet said:
At what point did I do that? At what point did I express anything approaching a defense of HIS opinion?
You said it yourself, it's a joke.
Mister_Prophet said:
People do stupid things for stupid causes. On this we agree.
NOT quite,,,
these are all school people,teachers etc etc and also wanted the scientific community there as well.
Not some radical protest,but again the ACLU and the like act like they are god,wich is the same as that picture there.
And it's not a joke,,geez....
Also I will clearly state,anti religious folks if they had it there way,NOTHING GOOD will come from it,as opposed to religious folk who at least help ware help is needed.
When is the last time deleting a baby a living baby more than 3 months is better than praying.
How does gay faggoty stuff help others?
how does ramming one side of the story for our kids make them wise?
Tell me
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W0RF said:
C'mon man...W0RF said:
You could have said right after his post that you disagreed. But you didn't do that. Remember? You had a back and forth thing with me about how I talked about the crusades as a way to deflect the issue. You didn't defend him in the literal sense, but you didn't exactly make your disagreement with him either. Instead you talked about something neither me or Red Fist were talking about. A smoke grenade may not be a lethal weapon, but it still gives your side a chance to retreat.
I can quote the posts around the turn of the page if you like?
W0RF said:
You bet I said it. Can you blame me?
ReD_Fist said:
School people, teachers, factory workers, priests, blah blah blah....
It's still people doing stupid things. You act like these school teachers should be held on some kind of pedastel while the people in my pic shouldn't. You cannot be seriously suggesting to me that no school teachers or biblical scholars never appeared at a function like the one in my pic!? Pages of this thread have material where we already covered this. Explain to me why some teachers boycotting a convention is far worse than the Papacy of John Paul the 2nd trying stop the spread of condoms in Africa, when they were being sent there to help prevent the Massive Aids scare going on there.
It doesn't make a difference man. Nobody is going to argue with you about the people who make these stupid public spectacles. That doesn't really mean anything. Both sides do it, both sides have their retards. Why does this have anything to do with Creationism vs Evolution. It isn't like the theories and teachings of either school of thought ever included lines of scripture or Science law about boycotting conventions or other such activities.
Even if no scientist ever did anything stupid, that still doesn't mean creationism is wrong. Why the double standard?
... post deleted... screw it... this is just going in circles. "What does a convention have to do with starting wars" That says it simply. No laundry list. That was my problem. I couldn't care less what you do with Redfist. Or this thread.
Well,the deal is,is religion and believing there is a higher being will help people .
Anti religion non belief is all about Me me me 24,7 for instance pres bush quit drinking on account of it,(just one example,so don't politisize it)
Someone preaching abortion don't help anyone change there life it just makes them miserable after words and have to live with it the rest ofthere life.
Someone preaching faggotism and practicing it they will never be happy and won't reproduce they may think they are,but down deep they know it is not right,so they can live with that the rest of there life.
For people to believe in a allmighty God,will not be selfish and will at least try to better others lives not just thier own.
The bible-god-religion does not force one to be good or bad it does not force you to do good,but believiing in God takes away there own selfish worldlyness.And not believing does nothing for the betterment of all.
And the reason we have these abortion "rights" gay "rights" etc etc is the betterment of ones own self.
And WORF I don't think I had anything todo with your post,you had somthing to say and used me as the vehicle todo so,you don't need to defend nor stick up for me.
But I only looked in this thread from a while back to see whats up,and tried to mention I thought those scientists are flamming A__ Holes.
Cause it's the same thing,they don't want there little selfish world to be stepped on samo samo,me me me,they arnt thinking of the bigger picture at all.If they were they should of attended the meeting and stated "no creation taught" but no................
And I don't understand ware Mr proph.is thinking this was some radical religios march from a bunch of radical teachers,it is not what I heard,it was to go through a corriculum for students,,math,science,english and so on.
But they boycotted it anyway all because they mentioned they would bring up teaching creationism,is all it was.
And another thing,if people wern't intrested nor have some idea of a higher being,why is there 11,000 views of this thread? (no lame answers please)
Anti religion non belief is all about Me me me 24,7 for instance pres bush quit drinking on account of it,(just one example,so don't politisize it)
Someone preaching abortion don't help anyone change there life it just makes them miserable after words and have to live with it the rest ofthere life.
Someone preaching faggotism and practicing it they will never be happy and won't reproduce they may think they are,but down deep they know it is not right,so they can live with that the rest of there life.
For people to believe in a allmighty God,will not be selfish and will at least try to better others lives not just thier own.
The bible-god-religion does not force one to be good or bad it does not force you to do good,but believiing in God takes away there own selfish worldlyness.And not believing does nothing for the betterment of all.
And the reason we have these abortion "rights" gay "rights" etc etc is the betterment of ones own self.
And WORF I don't think I had anything todo with your post,you had somthing to say and used me as the vehicle todo so,you don't need to defend nor stick up for me.
But I only looked in this thread from a while back to see whats up,and tried to mention I thought those scientists are flamming A__ Holes.
Cause it's the same thing,they don't want there little selfish world to be stepped on samo samo,me me me,they arnt thinking of the bigger picture at all.If they were they should of attended the meeting and stated "no creation taught" but no................
And I don't understand ware Mr proph.is thinking this was some radical religios march from a bunch of radical teachers,it is not what I heard,it was to go through a corriculum for students,,math,science,english and so on.
But they boycotted it anyway all because they mentioned they would bring up teaching creationism,is all it was.
And another thing,if people wern't intrested nor have some idea of a higher being,why is there 11,000 views of this thread? (no lame answers please)
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no it won't.ReD_Fist said:
no it isn't, and you haven't responded to the tons of arguments made against this retarded point yet, so i'm not going to do it again.
that is their problem, not yours.
they are unhappy because of unnecessary hassle and persecution from the ever so helpful relgious people.
good, there are too many people anyways.
again, that is their problem.
so is this.
more of the same bull**** as the second sentence
for someone that wants both sides to be heard, you sure as hell don't know what 'debate' means.
in other news, god seems to be testing our faith again:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/05/05/DINOSAUR.TMP&type=science
bobtheking said:
Good Find Bob. I heard about it but haven't read the whole story till now. In case anyone from the religious side is still paying attention other than RedFist, I'd like to see your take on this. It's pretty interesting.
RedFist said:
I never said radical. But you can understand my point right?
Look all people who believe in God aren't narrowminded and ignorant and and all people who are atheists aren't selfish and arrogant. The world isn't black and white, nomatter how much you want it to be. .
RedFist said:
Maybe cus people are attracted to debates...maybe because large ongoing threads attract attention...maybe because in nearly 50 pages with hundreds of posts the people posting may have viewed the thread a load of times to see what's up? Of all the reasons why....oh why....do you think that has anything to do with the existance of God?
i'm not holding my breath. creationists have denied transitional forms exist for a while now when they clearly do. several examples have been posted in this very thread, what is another to them?Mister_Prophet said:
If by "cornered" you mean "misrepresenting my points and blanketing his poor arguments in sarcasm" then yeah, I guess he sure did corner me a lot.Balton said:
Of course, you drop the lol on me, but your only response to my posts is to make it personal (omg silly w0rf
)This demonstrates perfectly why there is no value in having an independent opinion around here. One side accuses you of bullsh!tting to cover the other guy's ridiculous statements, while the other guy accuses you of throwing him under the bus to make your own point. And then it all degenerates into a massive posting spree of who said what about whom, which gets tiresome very fast.
So how much time did you REALLY want to spend talking about me instead of about relevant issues?
