Religious/Evolutionary Debate Thread
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I've encountered three common arguments against homosexuality, and they're all total bunk.
1. Homosexuality isn't natural.
We've cruelly butchered our own sense of sexuality, and blinded ourselves to sex in nature. Many other species masturbate, and some thought to be monogamous also cheat. In some species it is distinctly normal for some of the population to be gay at least some of the time. This includes primates such as chimps.
2. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.
I'll bypass the rather tempting "so what?" in favor of a much better argument:
There will never be a time when everyone is gay. It seems that there are gay genes, but heterosexual genes maintain an average majority. Even if there were a gay majority, gay people do not necessarily lack the urge to raise children, so the only effect is that there would be fewer of us, because every child born of a lesbian would be planned.
3. It's just not right.
Homosexuality was defined as a mental illness for decades, because gay people exhibited less stability in relationships and higher suicide/mortality rates. This was a reflection of their treatment in a society that assumed then thought they were ill. Now it's more acceptable, there are gay people that exhibit characteristics of psychological health and manage long term relationships.
With regard to gay effeminacy, it's just unfortunate that gay culture is associated with homosexuality. I know a few gay people who are not "gay" in the clichéd sense at all (which AFAIK is pretty much what's on show at pride parades).
One of them loathes gay culture with a passion. I agree with him on that, but think it's about equal in superficiality and mindlessness to the vagaries of fashion and herd mentalities that you'll find pretty much anywhere, regardless of sexuality.
I also know a gay couple who've been together for 20 years. When I first met one of them, I had no idea whatsoever he was gay.
I've met awful gay people, awful straight people, and awful bi people. I've met brilliant ones too. Sexuality has no bearing on how good or worthy you are as a person.
1. Homosexuality isn't natural.
We've cruelly butchered our own sense of sexuality, and blinded ourselves to sex in nature. Many other species masturbate, and some thought to be monogamous also cheat. In some species it is distinctly normal for some of the population to be gay at least some of the time. This includes primates such as chimps.
2. If everyone was gay, the human race would die out.
I'll bypass the rather tempting "so what?" in favor of a much better argument:
There will never be a time when everyone is gay. It seems that there are gay genes, but heterosexual genes maintain an average majority. Even if there were a gay majority, gay people do not necessarily lack the urge to raise children, so the only effect is that there would be fewer of us, because every child born of a lesbian would be planned.
3. It's just not right.
Homosexuality was defined as a mental illness for decades, because gay people exhibited less stability in relationships and higher suicide/mortality rates. This was a reflection of their treatment in a society that assumed then thought they were ill. Now it's more acceptable, there are gay people that exhibit characteristics of psychological health and manage long term relationships.
With regard to gay effeminacy, it's just unfortunate that gay culture is associated with homosexuality. I know a few gay people who are not "gay" in the clichéd sense at all (which AFAIK is pretty much what's on show at pride parades).
One of them loathes gay culture with a passion. I agree with him on that, but think it's about equal in superficiality and mindlessness to the vagaries of fashion and herd mentalities that you'll find pretty much anywhere, regardless of sexuality.
I also know a gay couple who've been together for 20 years. When I first met one of them, I had no idea whatsoever he was gay.
I've met awful gay people, awful straight people, and awful bi people. I've met brilliant ones too. Sexuality has no bearing on how good or worthy you are as a person.
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Yeah, I know. I’m probably just used to seeing gay people on TV who do interior design and cut hair and the like.oosyxxx said:
I heard something once about this Pope being the last one that Nostradamus predicted. Like he predicted them all or something. I don't have anything to back that up. So maybe it's just that people are always scared about everything.
I've been waitin for him to die for a while now. He looks all used up. An old crippled man who can barely talk does not make a great spiritual leader.
We need to get the pope in on this debate. I have a bunch of questions about that hat of his.
I must say ,all this convoluted stuff quathwar comes up with reminds me of a totaly well fed liberal.
So ! now explain this,about this so called evolution,how did it end up with male-female ,what part of eveolution allowed it to (mate-sex-emotion-while reproducing).
I cant think for the life of me how it all started out with one cell or whatever you say about ware we came from.
nothing like an X-rated 1cell porno movie man LoL........
While you figure out why your the single minded superior being in the universe,I will just believe in God.
And evolution is a stupid idea,worse than believeing the bible,at least the bible lets you know your NOT the last word on ware we came from.
And another thing,I made one antifag comment, and you posted that you put me on ignore.Seems to me he's the one who can't take any kind of statement of wich is against HIS so called ethics.As rediculas and or childish as my staement may have beenand or any other reason.
Shows the intolerence of wich I allready knew before I posted it,so I was right again.
So ! now explain this,about this so called evolution,how did it end up with male-female ,what part of eveolution allowed it to (mate-sex-emotion-while reproducing).
I cant think for the life of me how it all started out with one cell or whatever you say about ware we came from.
nothing like an X-rated 1cell porno movie man LoL........
While you figure out why your the single minded superior being in the universe,I will just believe in God.
And evolution is a stupid idea,worse than believeing the bible,at least the bible lets you know your NOT the last word on ware we came from.
And another thing,I made one antifag comment, and you posted that you put me on ignore.Seems to me he's the one who can't take any kind of statement of wich is against HIS so called ethics.As rediculas and or childish as my staement may have beenand or any other reason.
Shows the intolerence of wich I allready knew before I posted it,so I was right again.
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