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BillyBadAss

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OO7MIKE said:
How is the wedding season going guys? I just started so I'm busy busy busy!
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I admire you guys that can do that. I don't have the patients to handle that. People get too bossy and others getting in the way etc. Then people constantly trying to screw you out of cash. My favorite that I hear is "give us the raws and we will make the prints ourselves." :doh:
 
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OO7MIKE

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BillyBadAss said:
I admire you guys that can do that. I don't have the patients to handle that. People get too bossy and others getting in the way etc. Then people constantly trying to screw you out of cash. My favorite that I hear is "give us the raws and we will make the prints ourselves." :doh:
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You know, I got walked all over during my first 2 years. People always trying to save a buck by taking things out of your packages, trying to add extra people into the shoot or squeezing in more time for the shoot. I restructured my business model to accommodation for this. Now days, the length of the wedding has no affect on the price, and if they add more people to a portrait session I comply willingly after letting them know that there is an additional charge for added people. I'm always professional and I do it with enthusiasm. You get to see right away how much they want to add extra people.

BTW I get paid for a portrait session when the client arrives. Its less awkward this way.

I always say yes to the RAW file question. But a price has to be negotiated. Usually its just because the person knows a photographer who wants to play with a professional photographers raw files and run them through stupid filters. "Look what I did!" I'm happy to accommodation but there is a high price to pay. They usually say no after they realized that its less expensive for me to develop and give the client a final product than it is to give their photographer friend the files and maybe it might turn out ok. Again, always say yes but be firm with your prices. These sort of things should always be negotiated before hand.

I have also found that as my prices when up, those annoying questions went away. I rarely get annoying questions like "can we see all of the wedding photos, not just the ones you put up in a gallery?" At some point the client just has to trust that they got the best photos from the shoot and move on.


Everyone who charges money for their photography work should watch this video. What if your customers behaved the same way in other businesses:
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BillyBadAss

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OO7MIKE said:
I always say yes to the RAW file question. But a price has to be negotiated. Usually its just because the person knows a photographer who wants to play with a professional photographers raw files and run them through stupid filters. "Look what I did!" I'm happy to accommodation but there is a high price to pay. They usually say no after they realized that its less expensive for me to develop and give the client a final product than it is to give their photographer friend the files and maybe it might turn out ok. Again, always say yes but be firm with your prices. These sort of things should always be negotiated before hand.[/M]
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Don't you worry that this might hurt you in the long run as their talentless fuck of a friend will edit the photos and instagram the fuck out of them. Then show them to somebody they know and they will be less than impressed. You could miss out on some potential clients. I would not give them the raws.
 
OO7MIKE

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BillyBadAss said:
Don't you worry that this might hurt you in the long run as their talentless fuck of a friend will edit the photos and instagram the fuck out of them. Then show them to somebody they know and they will be less than impressed. You could miss out on some potential clients. I would not give them the raws.
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This is the reason why I charge more for RAW photo files. If they are able to invest that much in the RAW photos, they can easily afford another professional, and if not, I've been paid and if its for advertising, my name wont be put on it. Make no mistake, I do care, but if the price is right anyone can be convinced to look the other way and give up your creative hold on a project.

It is possible that you could miss out on clients due to the use of the bad photos being spread around, but you would get more negative feedback by telling people to take down poorly edited versions of your photos. I've been down that road before. I have found that letting them do it, is the best way to go about it.

People are just generally happy to have the photo so they start playing with it. I like it when they ask first, but poor edits are going to happen.

If people judge your work based on a RAW file, thats on them. They should check out your website if they want to see your work.
 
[GU]elmur_fud

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Applying what I have learned about lighting and composition to a cellphone camera then a bit of Photoshop and I have the first photo I am kinda happy with.
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OO7MIKE

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Traveling around with other photographers for the fun of it sounds awesome. I haven't done that in years.

Little creeper!
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I caught this guy watching me from a far.

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Nice work!!

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Applying what I have learned about lighting and composition to a cellphone camera then a bit of Photoshop and I have the first photo I am kinda happy with.
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OO7MIKE

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OO7MIKE said:
I would if it offers something I currently don't have covered. Better image quality via low iso noise, higher dynamic range, or something unique to the editing process. So far it looks like a unique user experience. No word on how well it takes photos. I am keeping my eye open. :)
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Well, you can instantly post the image to FB or, better, Instagram. That and use more than one spare battery.
 
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OO7MIKE said:
No word on how well it takes photos. I am keeping my eye open. :)
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As far as I can tell, the photographic guts are the same as the NX1000. The NX1000 takes perfectly decent pictures (a friend's daughter has one) and now that it has been superseded by the essentially identical NX1100 it is a fantastic bargain.

The NX1000 is available here in the UK for as little as 230 GBP (including 20% sales tax - approx 295 USD ex sales tax). For a camera with a 20MP APS-C sensor, that is a steal. Limitations - no phase detect autofocus, somewhat weedy kit lens, front element rotates on all of the zooms that I looked at, handling is more point and shoot than DSLR but, hey, did I mention that it was only 230GBP?

If one were looking for a camera less bulky than a DSLR for day-to-day use, I'd certainly consider it at that price.
 
OO7MIKE

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I recently purchased a Sigma 35mm 1.4 and the Sigma 85mm 1.4.

I've owned the Sigma 50mm 1.4 and its a gem. The 50mm isnt super sharp at 1.4 but the bokeh is really beautiful and I've been using it for a lot of my head shots.

I tested the 35mm 1.4 and I got one that needed some fine tuning. Its super sharp. In fact I have to say that it is the sharpest lens at 1.4 I have ever seen. I would even go so far to say that its sharper at 1.4 than my 50mm is at F4. This lens is really something special.

The 85mm is just about perfect. The AF is a little jumpy but it works well. I was able to take some wedding portraits at f1.4 last weekend. Sharper than the Sigma 50mm but not as sharp as the 35mm. Lens has excellent compression and blur. Its quickly replacing my 50mm as my go to portrait lens.

I'll post some photos soon.
 
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